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Being in the highest tax bracket, they already pay more than their fare share in taxes.So you are trying to tell me people in the highest tax bracket would not be willing to pay 1.5% more in taxes if their income went up by 3%? Plese note they are 1.5% ahead and maybe some pot holes on the roads can get fixed as well.
Or Israel.... funny how this admin wants to cut where we DO have NS interests.... do I smell a rat?
(no racism meant against rats)
Being in the highest tax bracket, they already pay more than their fare share in taxes.
There are people in the lower end of the highest tax bracket who are certainly unwilling to pay 1.5% more.
If their income goes up 3% that corresponds to an increase of 3% in tax revenue from the individual. So no reason to increase their taxes.
As for the pot-holes. No. The Government needs to lessen the tax burden on society and then they need to manage what they have better.
Can you say maximum pwnage? Words mean things Mr. President, the healthcare bills would require an across the board tax increase, the middle lower class which is already tightening their belts will have to do so again, this combined with his cap and trade initiative will only further hurt folks who are already seriously hurting due to this administration mismanagement of the economy. But after all that is what the Radical in Chief really wants IE to bring the bourgeois middle class down to the level of the proletariat because he knows that's the only possible way they would ever accept his revolutionary socialist agenda and initiatives.
I really wish there was a special sarcasm font for the Internet.:mrgreen:
If income goes up by 3% and taxes go up by 1.5%....well you do the math
Did you take math in school?
So you are trying to tell me people in the highest tax bracket would not be willing to pay 1.5% more in taxes if their income went up by 3%? Plese note they are 1.5% ahead and maybe some pot holes on the roads can get fixed as well.
With trillions in national debt, we will have to raise taxes at some point unless we cut military defense budget and get out of Iraq and Afrgan that conservatives were so eager to get into. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Winston, the point is not how much the "rich" can afford to pay, it is the FACT that no amount of tax increases will end the efforts of Liberal Democrats to confiscate ever greater amounts of our wealth to engage in vote pandering programs that do NOTHING to solve the problems Liberal Democrats claim they will; I use the recent stimulus plan passed as exhibit one as NOT doing what the partisan politicians claimed it would. Then we have the declared war on poverty we have been waging for 50 years where this nation has spent in excess of $40 trillion with no discernable results as exhibit number two.
By the way, where or when, will be seeing those 5,000,000 new high paying jobs Obama promised us? Right now, after losing over 2,500,000 jobs since he took office, we are now at 7,500,000 new high paying jobs to get us there and climbing.
Or military industrial complex spending. I'm not talking about the military I'm talking about the military industrial complex like ike talked about.
Bitching about paying for indigent healthcare. Your paying for it now, it’s just not seen as taxes, your paying it if you have private health insurance according to President Obama, on the Stephanopoulos show.
Up to 30% of the premium that you, or your employer pays covers the indigent.
Think of that when your premiums go up another 14%, You’re paying for it when someone, (even illegals) go to an emergency for treatment. I believe its called cost shifting in the healthcare field.
Well that was a lot to do about nothing as usual from you TD
The primary Constitutional role of the Federal Government is to defend the nation; I haven't seen anything in the Constitution that says it is the responsibility of Government to provide for the welfare of its citizens.
Of course, you are free to show where it states this if you like. :2wave:
In a lot of ways the military industrial complex is a welfare bnation. Where do you think the government gets the bucks to pay for it?
Truth Detector said:Fantastical argument for making it a public program; illegals deserve healthcare too! :rofl
Do you have any credible facts to support this assertion?
See above.
Damn TD do you actually think that hospitals don’t pass on the cost of their emergency care? :roll:
Ah yes, TD has to put the caveat of (any credible facts) in case of my having anything short of a letter from the pope stating that what I said is the truth. Here, now press your hot key dedicated to disputing the link as a lib front, with an agenda. :rofl
< Families USA, which supports expanded health care coverage, found that about 37% of health care costs for people without insurance — or a total of $42.7 billion — went unpaid last year. That cost eventually was shifted to the insured through higher premiums, according to the group.>
I was off by a few % points it’s actually a 37% shift. Sorry. :2wave:
Study: Insured pay 'hidden tax' for uninsured health care - USATODAY.com
Truth Detector;I am curious why you divine arguments that haven’t been made in a desperate effort to support your hysterical false assertions?
I am hardly surprised that you would not like the term “credible” or claim it to be a "caveat" as so much of your blather is more along the line of “incredible.”
Again, all one need do is look at the BIAS contained in your link to see that is suffers dearly in the credibility area.
Families USA, which supports expanded health care coverage, found that about 37% of health care costs for people without insurance — or a total of $42.7 billion — went unpaid last year. That cost eventually was shifted to the insured through higher premiums, according to the group.
So with this, I will take it that you have no “credible” sources to support your highly emotional, but fact-less hysterics.
Once again what we have here are wild-eyed uninformed, fabricated data to support a highly partisan political agenda; thank you again for illustrating it so brilliantly.
Originally Posted by Truth Detector
Winston, the point is not how much the "rich" can afford to pay, it is the FACT that no amount of tax increases will end the efforts of Liberal Democrats to confiscate ever greater amounts of our wealth to engage in vote pandering programs that do NOTHING to solve the problems Liberal Democrats claim they will; I use the recent stimulus plan passed as exhibit one as NOT doing what the partisan politicians claimed it would. Then we have the declared war on poverty we have been waging for 50 years where this nation has spent in excess of $40 trillion with no discernable results as exhibit number two.
By the way, where or when, will be seeing those 5,000,000 new high paying jobs Obama promised us? Right now, after losing over 2,500,000 jobs since he took office, we are now at 7,500,000 new high paying jobs to get us there and climbing.
Well that was a lot to do about nothing as usual from you TD
Only it TD land could a reply about hospitals treating “indigents”, be interpreted as (Fantastical argument for making it a public program; “illegals” deserve healthcare too) and get a response like this (desperate effort to support your hysterical false assertions?)
How’s the life in that parallel universe you reside in TD?:2wave:
Ah yes, looks like TD,s fine tuned hot key is getting a good workout in this thread. What part of this confuses you TD?
(Families USA is a national nonprofit, non-partisan organization dedicated to the achievement of high-quality, affordable health care for all Americans. Working at the national, state, and community levels, we have earned a national reputation as an effective voice for health care consumers for 25 years.)
Families USA: About Us Home
Could it be that part of your brain rejects the term “nonprofit”,or the part that it is a “non-partisan organization” dedicated to the achievement of high-quality, affordable health care for all Americans with suspicion? :rofl
ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, is the nation's largest community organization of low- and moderate-income families, working together for social justice and stronger communities.
How’s the life in that parallel universe you reside in TD?:2wave:
Ah yes, looks like TD,s fine tuned hot key is getting a good workout in this thread. What part of this confuses you TD?
(Families USA is a national nonprofit, non-partisan organization dedicated to the achievement of high-quality, affordable health care for all Americans. Working at the national, state, and community levels, we have earned a national reputation as an effective voice for health care consumers for 25 years.)
Families USA: About Us Home
Could it be that part of your brain rejects the term “nonprofit”,or the part that it is a “non-partisan organization” dedicated to the achievement of high-quality, affordable health care for all Americans with suspicion? :rofl
Would a rose by any other name not smell the same?
Good shot Steph! :mrgreen:
Read my lips. No new taxes. (Just a bunch of tolls, fees, penalties, and other incidental stuff. But no taxes.) :roll:
Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
Can you say maximum pwnage? Words mean things Mr. President, the healthcare bills would require an across the board tax increase, the middle lower class which is already tightening their belts will have to do so again, this combined with his cap and trade initiative will only further hurt folks who are already seriously hurting due to this administration mismanagement of the economy. But after all that is what the Radical in Chief really wants IE to bring the bourgeois middle class down to the level of the proletariat because he knows that's the only possible way they would ever accept his revolutionary socialist agenda and initiatives.
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