Step back in time to 2015. Did you ever think then that a Maga would be condoning pedophilia in 2025?

[ataraxia]

Then dont. But it would be fair to ask why you log into a debate site and refuse to debate anyone who disagrees with you.

You may be right. It's getting hard to keep debating people who think it's OK to have a 34-count convicted felon, rapist, and science-denier running their country. It's probably easier to debate flat-earthers.

 

[Tettsuo]

I remember when Trump publicly entered politics with his escalator ride in 2015. With no chance as a Democrat, he switched parties. I had followed Trump since the mid 70's and knew of his considerable "baggage". I also knew that his phony "white tough guy" and "political outsider" image would have a certain appeal to rednecks, racists, and folks who didn't think that government worked for them. As such, I sat back and watched to see what would transpire.
Fast forward to the Access Hollywood tape. I just knew that there were enough decent voters to keep an admitted sex abuser from winning a presidential election. I was wrong.
Fast forward to four years of Trump corruption, lies and ineptness that cost hundreds of thousands of needless deaths with Covid, and an insurrection where law enforcement officers were beaten by rabid Trump worshippers. Once again, I thought there was no way this glorified "scumbag" would win another election. Once again, I was wrong.
After watching Trump control what we only thought were his "deplorable" followers, I still believed that there had to be a point where the Trump worshippers would say "enough is enough". Sadly, with Magas now defending Trump and condoning pedophilia, I no longer feel that any cellar exists. They have now whole-heartedly convinced me that their worshipping of Trump is not rooted in any political ideology, but is simply a manifestation of their own mental illness. In fact, I can't help but wonder what a Maga would do if Trump raped his/her underage daughter? The answer to that question should be clear, but given Maga's proven undying loyalty to Trump, the answer remains alarmingly unclear.

Whatever Conservatives crow about is often what a good portion of them are doing themselves. History has borne that out over and over again.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Forget their daughters.

{sigh}

 

[Fletch]

You may be right. It's getting hard to keep debating people who think it's OK to have a 34-count convicted felon, rapist, and science-denier running their country. It's probably easier to debate flat-earthers.

No one is keeping you here. And no one is making you respond to my posts. Most of you libs are only interested in circle jerk threads anyway. That explains why they make up about 80% of the threads here.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Then dont. But it would be fair to ask why you log into a debate site and refuse to debate anyone who disagrees with you.

You can ask all you want. I'm done answering. All we see from Trumpers anymore is snark commentary that get us nowhere.

 

[Fletch]

Whatever Conservatives crow about is often what a good portion of them are doing themselves. History has borne that out over and over again.

Really? What is it I 'crow about' that you really think im doing? Or is your post and your accusation just made up bullshit.

 

[Fletch]

You can ask all you want. I'm done answering. All we see from Trumpers anymore is snark commentary that get us nowhere.

Snark commentary?!?!? You must not read any posts from people on the left. Its all snark and no substance from you guys.

 

[Tettsuo]

Really? What is it I 'crow about' that you really think im doing? Or is your post and your accusation just made up bullshit.

So, Let’s Talk About Republicans and Sex Crimes

In 2006, Florida Rep. Mark Foley was forced to resign after it was revealed that he’d sent sexually explicit messages and propositioned teenage congressional pages via email and text.

In 2015, former Rep. Dennis Hastert, the longest-ever serving Republican speaker of the House, pleaded guilty to making illegal hush-money payments in order to cover up his history of sexually abusing high school wrestlers he had coached decades before.

“Nothing is more stunning than having ‘serial child molester’ and ‘speaker of the House’ in the same sentence,” the judge said at his sentencing.

During and after the 2016 presidential race, among the dozens of women who accused former president Donald Trump of being a sexual predator were several contestants in the 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant, who reported that he barged into their dressing room while girls as young as 15 were changing. (Trump allegedly told them, “Don’t worry, ladies, I’ve seen it all before.”)

His campaign denied the accusation, but CNN unearthed a 2005 Howard Stern interview where Trump bragged about walking into backstage dressing rooms at the pageants he ran.

During the 2018 midterms, Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore was accused of preying on girls as young as 14 and 16; the New Yorker reported that his habit of trying to pick up high schoolers was so notorious that it actually got him banned from a local mall.

Also in 2018, Rep. Jim Jordan, one of Trump’s fiercest allies and a co-founder of the hardline conservative Freedom Caucus, became embroiled in a scandal over his time as a wrestling coach at Ohio State University, where a team doctor named Richard Strauss, who committed suicide in 2005, was found to have sexually abused more than 177 male student athletes.

And finally, Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida is currently the subject of a literal sex-trafficking investigation, which is looking into whether he had sex with an underage 17-year-old girl, among other issues. (Greene is close with Gaetz, who denies the allegations, and has defended him.)

On Twitter, liberals have taken to rattling off this list of scandals—among others—in response to conservative accusations of grooming (in a somewhat apt turn of events, a former Republican National Committee staffer was sentenced for a child pornography conviction the same day Jackson was confirmed to the court).

An additional list for your reading pleasure...

2024 Crimes Committed by Notable Republicans

 

[Fletch]

So, Let’s Talk About Republicans and Sex Crimes


An additional list for your reading pleasure...

2024 Crimes Committed by Notable Republicans

So you draw a conclusion from a handful of examples that you apply to everyone. I should have known.

 

[Tettsuo]

So you draw a conclusion from a handful of examples that you apply to everyone. I should have known.

WTF are you going on about? I NEVER said everyone.

 

[Fletch]

WTF are you going on about? I NEVER said everyone.

So, by 'good portion' you meant what? 5%?

 

[Tettsuo]

So, by 'good portion' you meant what? 5%?

Four pages of sexual crimes... that's more than 5%.

Republican Sex Crimes List

 

[Taylor]

No. And I was right.

 

[Fletch]

Four pages of sexual crimes... that's more than 5%.

Republican Sex Crimes List

How many pages of democrat crimes?

 

[Mithrae]

The toughest part is he is being allowed to do whatever, because they are beholden to him for their positions and ill-gotten gains at the expense of the American people, not the benefit. If pedophile rape is allowed, you know nothing is off the table.
We have reached justification for extreme reaction. If helping, and lying for, pedophile rapists/sex traffickers isn't the red line, nothing ever will be. This requires immediate reaction of the most extreme nature or all bets are off for the survival of the U.S democracy and law and order. The blatantness is the tell for which I noted, namely law and order is over for the radical right-wing elitists, and the beginning of authoritarian dictatorship has already begun.

What reaction of the most extreme nature would you suggest?

 

[Diving Mullah]

I remember when Trump publicly entered politics with his escalator ride in 2015. With no chance as a Democrat, he switched parties. I had followed Trump since the mid 70's and knew of his considerable "baggage". I also knew that his phony "white tough guy" and "political outsider" image would have a certain appeal to rednecks, racists, and folks who didn't think that government worked for them. As such, I sat back and watched to see what would transpire.
Fast forward to the Access Hollywood tape. I just knew that there were enough decent voters to keep an admitted sex abuser from winning a presidential election. I was wrong.
Fast forward to four years of Trump corruption, lies and ineptness that cost hundreds of thousands of needless deaths with Covid, and an insurrection where law enforcement officers were beaten by rabid Trump worshippers. Once again, I thought there was no way this glorified "scumbag" would win another election. Once again, I was wrong.
After watching Trump control what we only thought were his "deplorable" followers, I still believed that there had to be a point where the Trump worshippers would say "enough is enough". Sadly, with Magas now defending Trump and condoning pedophilia, I no longer feel that any cellar exists. They have now whole-heartedly convinced me that their worshipping of Trump is not rooted in any political ideology, but is simply a manifestation of their own mental illness. In fact, I can't help but wonder what a Maga would do if Trump raped his/her underage daughter? The answer to that question should be clear, but given Maga's proven undying loyalty to Trump, the answer remains alarmingly unclear.

Yes...It is in the bible..so definitely yes!

and hello Catholic Church!!!!

Diving Mullah

 

[element94]

What reaction of the most extreme nature would you suggest?

First, tell what you think would need to done for a president protecting pedophile rapists aka child rapists FFS!? It's never happened before for very good reason.
Civil war is what I'm talking about, and the left could secure help from the Euro allies. Currently, I don't see how that doesn't happen. It's either that, or roll over for pedo prez, and that certainly isn't going to happen.

 

[Tettsuo]

How many pages of democrat crimes?

I don't know. How about you go and research that info?

 

[Fletch]

I don't know. How about you go and research that info?

Lol. You libs just love to not know shit.

 

[Mithrae]

First, tell what you think would need to done for a president protecting pedophile rapists aka child rapists FFS!? It's never happened before for very good reason.

If that were Trump's only sin he would be orders of magnitude better than many prior presidents. Trump, Maxwell and Epstein may have ruined hundreds of lives; Bush, Cheney and Powell destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives with their invasions of two sovereign nations on the opposite side of the world. Many folk in America seem to view war as just normal, mundane, business as usual; but the fact is it's the most destructive thing that humans do. The Civil War in the 1860s resulted in the deaths of 2.5% of Americans; in the 2020s weaponry and tactics are far more destructive and the 'sides' far more intermingled with many liberal cities in red states and conservative rural communities in blue states, so an even higher death rate would be quite likely. Even if it were plausible for a full-blown civil war to occur (which seems highly unlikely), it could very easily kill tens of millions of Americans... and what would be at the end of it? Potentially an equally authoritarian and plutocratic 'liberal' government, certainly a much-weakened America with China likely the only real superpower left. Would that be worth it?

Civil war is what I'm talking about, and the left could secure help from the Euro allies. Currently, I don't see how that doesn't happen. It's either that, or roll over for pedo prez, and that certainly isn't going to happen.

"Rolling over" for Trump probably is going to happen. A plurality of Americans voted him into office; likewise with the Republican majority in Congress, and both they and the Republican/Federalist Society-appointed SCOTUS have few if any moral qualms about his actions. If they had any thoughts of reining in his actions it would be from an alternative agenda... but those thoughts must surely be heavily tempered by the fact that he can literally have they or their families assassinated under the pretext of 'national security' and be absolutely immune from criminal consequences! Most politicians and strategists of the minority party are far too comfortable where they're at to do anything as difficult and dangerous as even strenuous political opposition, let alone armed resistance. Meanwhile after decades of two-party rule and demonizing alternative options as 'spoilers' if not the enemy themselves, partisanship is almost as strong among liberals as conservatives, meaning that even among citizens who loathe the administration most will simply fall into line behind their comfortable and complacent politicians: Even on this very forum many liberals continue to insist that Trump has screwed up so bad it's going to be a Democratic landslide in 2026 and 28; no-one's going to go to war if they've deluded themselves into believing that Republican efforts to 'secure' elections will have no consequence and it's just going to be democracy as usual going forwards.

For those who might consider violent resistance, surveillance and intelligence are at an unprecedented level of development now; 99% of them could easily be rounded up and imprisoned before they could organize any meaningful harm, if the administration desired. But quite likely the administration would welcome the early stages of violent resistance - AKA domestic terrorism - to generate a climate of fear and need for ever greater 'security' measures. Simple fact is that at this point there are no good options left; but talk of civil war and violent resistance is pretty much doing Trump's job for him.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I remember when Trump publicly entered politics with his escalator ride in 2015. With no chance as a Democrat, he switched parties. I had followed Trump since the mid 70's and knew of his considerable "baggage". I also knew that his phony "white tough guy" and "political outsider" image would have a certain appeal to rednecks, racists, and folks who didn't think that government worked for them. As such, I sat back and watched to see what would transpire.
Fast forward to the Access Hollywood tape. I just knew that there were enough decent voters to keep an admitted sex abuser from winning a presidential election. I was wrong.
Fast forward to four years of Trump corruption, lies and ineptness that cost hundreds of thousands of needless deaths with Covid, and an insurrection where law enforcement officers were beaten by rabid Trump worshippers. Once again, I thought there was no way this glorified "scumbag" would win another election. Once again, I was wrong.
After watching Trump control what we only thought were his "deplorable" followers, I still believed that there had to be a point where the Trump worshippers would say "enough is enough". Sadly, with Magas now defending Trump and condoning pedophilia, I no longer feel that any cellar exists. They have now whole-heartedly convinced me that their worshipping of Trump is not rooted in any political ideology, but is simply a manifestation of their own mental illness. In fact, I can't help but wonder what a Maga would do if Trump raped his/her underage daughter? The answer to that question should be clear, but given Maga's proven undying loyalty to Trump, the answer remains alarmingly unclear.

 

[element94]

If that were Trump's only sin he would be orders of magnitude better than many prior presidents. Trump, Maxwell and Epstein may have ruined hundreds of lives; Bush, Cheney and Powell destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives with their invasions of two sovereign nations on the opposite side of the world. Many folk in America seem to view war as just normal, mundane, business as usual; but the fact is it's the most destructive thing that humans do. The Civil War in the 1860s resulted in the deaths of 2.5% of Americans; in the 2020s weaponry and tactics are far more destructive and the 'sides' far more intermingled with many liberal cities in red states and conservative rural communities in blue states, so an even higher death rate would be quite likely. Even if it were plausible for a full-blown civil war to occur (which seems highly unlikely), it could very easily kill tens of millions of Americans... and what would be at the end of it? Potentially an equally authoritarian and plutocratic 'liberal' government, certainly a much-weakened America with China likely the only real superpower left. Would that be worth it?

Obviously that isn't Trump's only sin, so the point is irrelevant. I'm no fan of the Bush administration. The biggest problem with Trump is his turning on legal American citizens who simply, and rightfully, oppose his criminal disgrace to the country.

"Rolling over" for Trump probably is going to happen. A plurality of Americans voted him into office; likewise with the Republican majority in Congress, and both they and the Republican/Federalist Society-appointed SCOTUS have few if any moral qualms about his actions. If they had any thoughts of reining in his actions it would be from an alternative agenda... but those thoughts must surely be heavily tempered by the fact that he can literally have they or their families assassinated under the pretext of 'national security' and be absolutely immune from criminal consequences! Most politicians and strategists of the minority party are far too comfortable where they're at to do anything as difficult and dangerous as even strenuous political opposition, let alone armed resistance. Meanwhile after decades of two-party rule and demonizing alternative options as 'spoilers' if not the enemy themselves, partisanship is almost as strong among liberals as conservatives, meaning that even among citizens who loathe the administration most will simply fall into line behind their comfortable and complacent politicians: Even on this very forum many liberals continue to insist that Trump has screwed up so bad it's going to be a Democratic landslide in 2026 and 28; no-one's going to go to war if they've deluded themselves into believing that Republican efforts to 'secure' elections will have no consequence and it's just going to be democracy as usual going forwards.

The mid-terms could be the arbiter, so we will have to wait for any signs of a "Rolling over". The fact that Trump was re-elected is not a good sign, but it doesn't mean it will automatically be bad for dems in 2026/2028. It's obvious that republicans have no problem with someone who is a friend of, and a supporter of, pedophile rapists/under-age sex traffickers, which speaks volumes about that party's abject moral decline.

For those who might consider violent resistance, surveillance and intelligence are at an unprecedented level of development now; 99% of them could easily be rounded up and imprisoned before they could organize any meaningful harm, if the administration desired. But quite likely the administration would welcome the early stages of violent resistance - AKA domestic terrorism - to generate a climate of fear and need for ever greater 'security' measures. Simple fact is that at this point there are no good options left; but talk of civil war and violent resistance is pretty much doing Trump's job for him.

The best scenario would be for the moderate left to win back the power, and have the upper hand in the ensuing, radical right-wing civil war. It is obvious that the Republican Party no longer represents the United States of America, law and order, or the U.S. Constitution. They are very obviously an authoritarian criminal enterprise.