Stefanik Changes Tune on Condemning Nazis

[Fletch]

This thread is about MAGA refusing to condemn the Young Nazis, I mean Young Republicans.

Same tactic MAGA made when Trump buddy Mark Robinson was making similar posts. Defend, deflect.

Why can’t MAGA condemn people who post shit about loving Hitler?

They have been condemned, and many have lost their jobs. And we are talking about 4-5 people here, but keep clutching those pearls.

 

[NuffSaid]

They have been condemned, and many have lost their jobs. And we are talking about 4-5 people here, but keep clutching those pearls.

okay JD Vance.
not all of them have been fired. Some were encouraged to resign.
There will be positions in Congress for these fine folks.

 

[Fletch]

okay JD Vance.
not all of them have been fired. Some were encouraged to resign.
There will be positions in Congress for these fine folks.

Which texts did you find most offensive and who posted them?

 

[NuffSaid]

Which texts did you find most offensive and who posted them?

Any text making racial slurs and loving Hitler.
Sadly racist Young Republicans have shitty classes in history as they gloss over that part of world history. It’s tough though, they’ve never been outside their cushy white suburban neighborhood. So they have no real idea about the real world.

 

[Fletch]

Any text making racial slurs and loving Hitler.
Sadly racist Young Republicans have shitty classes in history as they gloss over that part of world history. It’s tough though, they’ve never been outside their cushy white suburban neighborhood. So they have no real idea about the real world.

So who said he loved Hitler and how many agreed? From what I can tell, the majority of offensive posts came from two individuals.

 

[NuffSaid]

So who said he loved Hitler and how many agreed? From what I can tell, the majority of offensive posts came from two individuals.

Who cares how many Young Republicans said it, reposted it, agreed with it, or piled on. No one should have this mindset, but sadly Young Republicans do.
The parsing of these texts is boring.
And I can see how MAGA are now pivoting to making this less damning.
I suspect that all of these Young Republicans will have jobs for some MAGA in Congress before the month is over.

 

[Fletch]

Who cares how many Young Republicans said it, reposted it, agreed with it, or piled on. No one should have this mindset, but sadly Young Republicans do.

No, only a handful do. But its not shocking that you would lie and smear evwryone you hate.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

???? They are genetically identical

Genetically, you are correct. Societally, however, they aren't even close. Its why 6 year old boys aren't eligible for the draft, as an example.

That might be the single dumbest thing I have ever read here. A man in womanface is no more a woman than a man in blackface is black.

Your inability to discern gender from sex is exactly why you think that way. They aren't the same thing, and you keep treating them like they are. Gender roles exist for a reason. Its why in the 50's it was the norm for men to go out and work and women were expected to stay home and take care of the domestic things. Had nothing to do with one of them having an X chromosome and one having a Y chromosome. We assigned those roles because under normal circumstances, it was more functional for the more physically capable member to go out and do the "harder" work. Sometimes, that more physically capable member happened to also have two X chromosomes. Whodathunkit, right?

I will fix your above statement so its more applicable though...

A male in femaleface (if that was a thing) isn't a female. Nobody is arguing that, no matter how you try to twist arguments. That said, what you would call a man in womens clothing could indeed be more suited to the womans gender role than that of a man.

For clarification, the things above in red are genetic determinants. The things in blue are societal determinants. One can't be argued.....the other one surely can.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

No, only a handful do. But its not shocking that you would lie and smear evwryone you hate.

Its not the number of people who wrote the statements that is the problem. Its the number of people who then take those comments and repost and like them that tells the story.

See, if I put up a Twitter post stating that I hated black people, that would be solely on me. The problem comes in when 5000 people come along, like the post, then repost it saying that they agree. By your rationale, its unfair to say that lots of people feel that way because only I wrote the initial post....but that ignores that at least 5000 people took the time to read my post, consider it, AGREE with it, and then perpetuate it. Take for instance the video Trump reposted of him in the fighter plane shitting on Americans. Sure, he didn't create the video....but he (or someone on his staff) sure as hell took the time to watch it, consider what was being said, and then perpetuate it by reposting it. He might not be responsible for its creation, but is sure as hell responsible for his reaction to it.

 

[NuffSaid]

No, only a handful do. But its not shocking that you would lie and smear evwryone you hate.

Your posts are boring.
I've told 1000 times I hate 1 person. Alex Jones.
Get a new schtick.

 

[Fletch]

Genetically, you are correct. Societally, however, they aren't even close. Its why 6 year old boys aren't eligible for the draft, as an example.



Your inability to discern gender from sex is exactly why you think that way. They aren't the same thing, and you keep treating them like they are. Gender roles exist for a reason. Its why in the 50's it was the norm for men to go out and work and women were expected to stay home and take care of the domestic things. Had nothing to do with one of them having an X chromosome and one having a Y chromosome. We assigned those roles because under normal circumstances, it was more functional for the more physically capable member to go out and do the "harder" work. Sometimes, that more physically capable member happened to also have two X chromosomes. Whodathunkit, right?

I will fix your above statement so its more applicable though...

A male in femaleface (if that was a thing) isn't a female. Nobody is arguing that, no matter how you try to twist arguments. That said, what you would call a man in womens clothing could indeed be more suited to the womans gender role than that of a man.

For clarification, the things above in red are genetic determinants. The things in blue are societal determinants. One can't be argued.....the other one surely can.

Since the words man, boy and he refer exclusively to the male sex, one cannot be a male and also a woman. Kaitlyn Jenner, for instance, is a male, therefore a man, a he and not a woman or a she. I dont care that he pretends to be a woman, he is not.

 

[Fletch]

Your posts are boring.

Then dont respond to them

I've told 1000 times I hate 1 person. Alex Jones.

I dont believe you

 

[ElChupacabra]

"When POLITICO approached Rep. Elise Stefanik this month with hate-filled messages from the same Young Republicans she backed and bankrolled for years, her condemnation was swift and full-throated. Hours after the story published — and just minutes after Vice President JD Vance derided criticisms of the chat as “pearl clutching” — Stefanik pivoted to attacking Democrats. She derided POLITICO’s story as a “hit piece” and those across the aisle raising alarm about it as “hyperventilating.”

...Stefanik’s shift reflects a broader dilemma Republicans across the country are now facing as they’re forced to confront a damaging situation: whether to denounce or deflect in their public messaging in response to a trove of private discussions Democrats say is proof of the GOP’s long-dismissed problem with white supremacy. At the state and local level, Republicans are largely following a different track — even if it means bitter pushback from an online faction of right-wing youth who appear ascendant."

Longtime Republican strategist Susan Del Percio — who has opposed President Donald Trump’s three presidential runs — said the contrasting GOP responses could have more to do with how Trump has influenced a new generation of Republicans than anything else.“Those who are new to [GOP politics] have come up in the last 8,10 years seeing what Donald Trump has done, and how he in many ways gets away with his rhetoric and his taking down of people,” she said. “It’s lie, lie, deny. And in this case it should be: condemn everything.”

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Trump's takover of the GOP has them walking a fine line on Nazism.

That's a pretty silly self own, but when you have a movement that's flirted with these kind of fringe groups, one can understand why they don't want to take a hard line against it. This is not that different than the dance they have to do to keep evangelicals happy. I'm not sure how reporting on what future leaders of a political party are saying in a chat is a "hit piece", unless the expectation is this is all ok, which puts the MAGAGOP in a weird position.

 

[ElChupacabra]

It should be condemned by Republicans.

Just like the rising tide of antisemitism, and support for political violence in the Democratic Party should be condemned by Democrats.

But the Democrats NOT doing so, is of course a much greater problem for the country.

What Democrats are not condemning anti-Semitism? What has split the party is the changing views on Israeli policy in the region, and some are taking the binary view that if one doesn't support Israel entirely than one is an anti-Semite. Other actions by Democrats have been split along what is protected speech during the protests and what isn't.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Since the words man, boy and he refer exclusively to the male sex, one cannot be a male and also a woman. Kaitlyn Jenner, for instance, is a male, therefore a man, a he and not a woman or a she. I dont care that he pretends to be a woman, he is not.

Hes not a FEMALE. She can "pretend" to be a woman all she wants. They aren't discussing the same thing. Not sure why that is so hard for you to grasp.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

It should be condemned by Republicans.

Just like the rising tide of antisemitism, and support for political violence in the Democratic Party should be condemned by Democrats.

But the Democrats NOT doing so, is of course a much greater problem for the country.

There have been no calls for violence.

Turn the Faux off.