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Elk statue removed from downtown Portland after protesters set its base ablazeElk statue removed from downtown Portland after protesters set its base ablaze...The damage to the base was so severe that the statue had to be removed for public safety reasons; RACC was concerned the elk could topple over and injure someone.
San Francisco Protesters Tear Down Union General Ulysses S. Grant's Statue Newsweek (9 hours prior to posting here on 06/20/20.
Small steps lead to bigger steps...
We've already seen stories about statues of people like U.S. Grant, Columbus, and others being attacked/defaced/destroyed. Now here is a report of an ELK being destroyed:
Elk statue removed from downtown Portland after protesters set its base ablaze
Here is a video:
Note: This is the story of the statue:
Elk (sculpture) - Wikipedia
and it's creator:
Roland Hinton Perry - Wikipedia
So basically NOTHING racist or otherwise politically negative is attached to this statute. Just random destruction for destruction's sake.
So what's the problem? This young lady sums it up:
Once again I remind members of my prior posts about white-washing American history.
Once again I remind members of my prior posts about white-washing American history.
I've always stated I voted for Trump. I have been arguing in his defense (in most cases) since the election.
Destroying statues of assholes does not mean one is white washing history. White washing history is pretending confederate assholes weren't assholes and that the Civil War wasn't about slavery. One example of a non-racist statue being destroyed does not negate any of that.
We as a society get to choose who we decide to glorify. Your argument is as stupid as saying the Germans should've kept all the Hitler statues up because nobody could remember WW2 and the holocaust without one on every block. Stupid and partisan thread as usual.
Have any elks made any public comment about American history being destroyed because of the removal of the statue?
Destroying statues of assholes does not mean one is white washing history. White washing history is pretending confederate assholes weren't assholes and that the Civil War wasn't about slavery. One example of a non-racist statue being destroyed does not negate any of that.
We as a society get to choose who we decide to glorify. Your argument is as stupid as saying the Germans should've kept all the Hitler statues up because nobody could remember WW2 and the holocaust without one on every block. Stupid and partisan thread as usual.
I'm going to LAUGH at y'all when MLK starts coming down. I can't wait to watch you all justify that.
Have any elks made any public comment about American history being destroyed because of the removal of the statue?
Destroying statues of assholes does not mean one is white washing history. White washing history is pretending confederate assholes weren't assholes and that the Civil War wasn't about slavery. One example of a non-racist statue being destroyed does not negate any of that.
We as a society get to choose who we decide to glorify. Your argument is as stupid as saying the Germans should've kept all the Hitler statues up because nobody could remember WW2 and the holocaust without one on every block. Stupid and partisan thread as usual.
And I'll remind members of exactly who you have excused during the past four years.....
According to the report, Columbus once punished a man found guilty of stealing corn by having his ears and nose cut off and then selling him into slavery. Testimony recorded in the report stated that Columbus congratulated his brother Bartolomeo on "defending the family" when the latter ordered a woman paraded naked through the streets and then had her tongue cut out for suggesting that Columbus was of lowly birth.[97] The document also describes how Columbus put down native unrest and revolt: he first ordered a brutal crackdown in which many natives were killed, and then paraded their dismembered bodies through the streets in an attempt to discourage further rebellion.[98]
We've already seen stories about statues of people like U.S. Grant, Columbus, and others being attacked/defaced/destroyed. Now here is a report of an ELK being destroyed:
Elk statue removed from downtown Portland after protesters set its base ablaze
Here is a video:
Note: This is the story of the statue:
Elk (sculpture) - Wikipedia
and it's creator:
Roland Hinton Perry - Wikipedia
So basically NOTHING racist or otherwise politically negative is attached to this statute. Just random destruction for destruction's sake.
So what's the problem? This young lady sums it up:
Once again I remind members of my prior posts about white-washing American history.
A Black guy defending Confederate statues. I've never seen that before.
The OP makes a basic logical error. He's cherry-picking outlier examples to make a general claim about all statues.
Ulysses S. Grant is not the same as Stonewall Jackson or Jefferson Davis. Of course, there are radicals who want to even remove George Washington. But that doesn't mean that "statues coming down isn't about slavery." Jackson and Davis fought to keep your ancestors in chains. Why do they deserve statues?
Columbus was considered a monster by the people of his own time.
Why should Columbus be honored? He never set foot in what we call America. Let South America or the Caribbean put up a statue to him. But we know they won't because they recognize that he was a monster. We need to be honest about history.
Yep. That's the way it works. Apathy, such as expressed here, is seen as "permission" by the political class you support and then, juxtaposed against those who endorse dissolution of the political class, it becomes a "mandate" and then a "national cause" and then....then it becomes communism and all the people are euphoric as they stand in their bread lines, get experimented on by their free medical system and get shot in the back should they fail to appreciate the bounty that their government has provided them with. When one's political education comes from a series of one sided blog editorials, YouTube videos and "expert" interpretations of classic political thought and experience it inevitably leads to totalitarianism.
Meanwhile, a review of my history shows I am defending the right of the locality to determine what they do and don't want in their own communities. If you oppose a public work, then you either lobby the local government or take political action in the form of a plebiscite (let the people vote). What you DON'T DO is take the law into your own hands and destroy either public OR private property.
Members of the Boston Art Commission voted unanimously Tuesday evening to remove Boston's copy of Thomas Ball's sculpture Emancipation Memorial from Park Square. The work depicting a formerly enslaved man at the feet of Abraham Lincoln has stood there since 1879.
A Black guy defending Confederate statues. I've never seen that before.
The OP makes a basic logical error. He's cherry-picking outlier examples to make a general claim about all statues.
Ulysses S. Grant is not the same as Stonewall Jackson or Jefferson Davis. Of course, there are radicals who want to even remove George Washington. But that doesn't mean that "statues coming down isn't about slavery." Jackson and Davis fought to keep your ancestors in chains. Why do they deserve statues?
Columbus was considered a monster by the people of his own time.
Why should Columbus be honored? He never set foot in what we call America. Let South America or the Caribbean put up a statue to him. But we know they won't because they recognize that he was a monster. We need to be honest about history.
3. Yet another Straw Man. The OP is about an ELK statue.
Yes Sir, this is why tRump must not win a second term. Why the rabid right bloggers are creating a bunch warped angry white folks wanting to believe they are the down-trodden... :doh
Socialism doesn't cause any of the whines you post. Some constantly confuse communism with socialism. Capitalism has produced some massive bread lines as well, now instead of a line waiting for bread the government mails out debit cards. tRump preaches constantly about snake oil cures- from pills to Clorox so who is experimenting on it's citizens??? The biggest lie is who gets shot in the back- seems every time an unarmed black man gets shot in the back by the police- the right wing rabble crow about, 'don't run from the cops' or obey cops and you don't get shot'... :roll:
Yes, the rabid right must be stopped from trying to create a 'law and order' totalitarianism- seems every reactionary dictator claims their crack down on basic civil rights is to restore law and order...eace
We have a situation in this nation where a great number of elected political folks have WILLINGLY and ENTHUSIASTICALLY ignored their responsibilities to the community at large in favor of accommodating mobs. If it was "Boogaloo" protesters that were burning down cities and busting up statues you'd be throwing a ****fit but since you ENDORSE this kind of behavior in pursuit of a cause you agree with you're perfectly willing to ignore the consequences.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
We've already seen stories about statues of people like U.S. Grant, Columbus, and others being attacked/defaced/destroyed. Now here is a report of an ELK being destroyed:
Elk statue removed from downtown Portland after protesters set its base ablaze
Here is a video:
Note: This is the story of the statue:
Elk (sculpture) - Wikipedia
and it's creator:
Roland Hinton Perry - Wikipedia
So basically NOTHING racist or otherwise politically negative is attached to this statute. Just random destruction for destruction's sake.
So what's the problem? This young lady sums it up:
Once again I remind members of my prior posts about white-washing American history.
Please explain to me the importance of these statues to the community at large? It seems you're only concerned with a portion of the community.
Statues are mainly for decoration. There should never be monuments to controversial people in a public square. The entire purpose of a public square or space is to unify the community.
How would you feel about a Colin Kaepernick statue in your town? Would it improve things if 51% of the residents in your town approved it?
One of the key ideas of a just democracy is that the majority should rule but they shouldn't trample over the minority. Statues glorifying men who are considered monsters by minority groups is a pointless trampling over the feelings of minority groups. If you want a unified community you should be willing to make some compromises. I can't imagine a less costly compromise than a statue removal, can you?
Destroying statues of assholes does not mean one is white washing history. White washing history is pretending confederate assholes weren't assholes and that the Civil War wasn't about slavery. One example of a non-racist statue being destroyed does not negate any of that.
We as a society get to choose who we decide to glorify. Your argument is as stupid as saying the Germans should've kept all the Hitler statues up because nobody could remember WW2 and the holocaust without one on every block. Stupid and partisan thread as usual.
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