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Excerpted from “State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship” By Shankar Vedantam, Washington Post Staff Writer, The Washington Post, Wednesday, January 5, 2011; 2:23 PM
[SIZE="+2"]I[/SIZE]n a move certain to escalate the legal tug of war over illegal immigration, state lawmakers from across the country announced Wednesday that they were launching a united effort to prevent the U.S. Constitution's 14th Amendment, which grants citizenship to all children born in the United States, from applying to children of undocumented immigrants.
State lawmakers from Arizona, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Georgia and other states said they were taking aim at birthright citizenship and seeking to return the interpretation of the 14th Amendment to what they described as the original intent of its creators. …
Will the insanity never cease? Are there really this many state lawmakers so ignorant of the essentialness of 14th Amendment to preventing a subclass from forming in this country?
Excerpted from “State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship” By Shankar Vedantam, Washington Post Staff Writer, The Washington Post, Wednesday, January 5, 2011; 2:23 PM
In a move certain to escalate the legal tug of war over illegal immigration, state lawmakers from across the country announced Wednesday that they were launching a united effort to prevent the U.S. Constitution's 14th Amendment, which grants citizenship to all children born in the United States, from applying to children of undocumented immigrants.
State lawmakers from Arizona, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Georgia and other states said they were taking aim at birthright citizenship and seeking to return the interpretation of the 14th Amendment to what they described as the original intent of its creators. …
… I agree with this effort compleatly.
Will the insanity never cease? Are there really this many state lawmakers so ignorant of the essentialness of 14th Amendment to preventing a subclass from forming in this country?
Will the insanity never cease? Are there really this many state lawmakers so ignorant of the essentialness of 14th Amendment to preventing a subclass from forming in this country?
The founding fathers didnt see that we would be invaded by illegals. And those illegals were going to purposely push out kids called anchor babies so they could slowly rape this country of its resources. I am a BILLION percent for congress to dissallow these babies from becoming US citizens. Kick the illegal parents out and kick their babies out with them. If the parents are here illegally their babies should also be considered illegal.
Makes sense on MANY levels.
The city I live in is overrun with these illegal Mexicans. Hell, you go to Walmart youre LUCKY to hear English being spoken.
Are you an American under the terms of this effort that you agree with so ‘compleatly?’ Since you don't know how to spell c-o-m-p-l-e-t-e-l-y you're likely an English as a second language immigrant which means that this will be easy for you to prove that you're a legal citizen — just show us your naturalization papers.
But, if you have the great blessing of being born in this country, then under the terms of this new effort to repeal the 14th Amendment the only way to prove you are here legally is to prove that your parents were here legally when you were born. Please provide your parents' naturalization papers, please.
Oh, and if your parents were born in this country, too, then, as you know, without the 14th Amendment, to prove that you actually belong here and not somewhere far, far away from here, we'll be requiring your grandparents papers. All four, please. No worries, we'll wait here while you track them down. Thanks in advance.
And, if any of them were blessed and born in this country, then, you know the drill at this point, without the 14th Amendment, we'll be requiring both your great-grandparents naturalization papers. This could be a set of eight naturalization papers; I guess you could have a nice book to keep them all together.
God bless you for complying with the law. Of course, if you don't fulfill the legal requirements the alternative is to let us know what country you'll be traveling to. It might be one that none of your ancestors have known for generations, but, it's where you'll be going for the rest of your life. Please go without burdening real American taxpayers you God damn illegal immigrant!
Thank you for your cooperation.
Do you have any other reasons or do you just not like "Mexicans"? Btw, not everybody who speaks Spanish is from Mexico.The founding fathers didnt see that we would be invaded by illegals. And those illegals were going to purposely push out kids called anchor babies so they could slowly rape this country of its resources. I am a BILLION percent for congress to dissallow these babies from becoming US citizens. Kick the illegal parents out and kick their babies out with them. If the parents are here illegally their babies should also be considered illegal.
Makes sense on MANY levels.
The city I live in is overrun with these illegal Mexicans. Hell, you go to Walmart youre LUCKY to hear English being spoken.
The Founding Fathers did NOT draft the 14th amendment... it is one of the Civil War amendments passed in the aftermath of the Civil War, decades after all of the Founding Fathers passed away...
nice try at an appeal to emotional rhetoric, however...
Do you have any other reasons or do you just not like "Mexicans"? Btw, not everybody who speaks Spanish is from Mexico.
Do you have any other reasons or do you just not like "Mexicans"? Btw, not everybody who speaks Spanish is from Mexico.
Why is it that whenever illegal aliens are being talked about that everyone just assumes that it is a race thing?
You do realize that not all illegal aliens are from south of the border right? That there are white illegals? That there are Asian illegals? Arab illegals? And everything in between illegals?
A bit of advice...lose the race card. You'll sound far more intelligent if you do.
Its a strategy of the people that are FOR illegal mexicans. They want to turn this whole thing into something OTHER than what it REALLY is. Its smoke and mirrors bull****. But there ARE weak-minded people that believe the BS propaganda that is spead by terrorist organizations like La Raza. :roll:
The text of the Citizenship Clause was first offered in the Senate as an amendment to Section 1 of the joint resolution as passed by the House.
There are varying interpretations of the original intent of Congress, based on statements made during the congressional debate over the amendment.[2] During the original debate over the amendment Senator Jacob M. Howard of Michigan—the author of the Citizenship Clause—described the clause as excluding Indians, who maintain their tribal ties, and “persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers.” He was supported by other senators, including Edgar Cowan, Reverdy Johnson, and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lyman Trumbull.[3]
Howard additionally stated the word jurisdiction meant "the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now"[3] and that the United States possessed a “full and complete jurisdiction” over the person described in the amendment.[4][5][3] Other senators, including Senator John Conness,[6] supported the amendment, believing citizenship ought to be extended to all children of foreigners born in the United States.
There is PLENTY of reasons for propaganda! READ: La Raza, Mexican Terrorist OrganizationNo need for BS propaganda. The lawmakers want something. They way to get it is by amending the U.S. Constitution. That requires far more compromise than they are willing to give. So they want to short cut it by subverting the U.S. Constitution.
It's easy to take a negative view of that.
There is PLENTY of reasons for propaganda! READ: La Raza, Mexican Terrorist Organization
I say do whatever is neccessary to keep out invaders! I dont want my taxes to rise because we need more money to pay for people that shouldnt even BE here!
So, some lawmakers decided the amendment had limitations and others did not.
How did that become incorporated into the "unshakable" pillar of "author's intent?" It should be mandatory that conservatives preface their every insistence of Founder's intent with, "selected from among several."
Are you an American under the terms of this effort that you agree with so ‘compleatly?’
Since you don't know how to spell c-o-m-p-l-e-t-e-l-y you're likely an English as a second language immigrant which means that this will be easy for you to prove that you're a legal citizen — just show us your naturalization papers.
But, if you have the great blessing of being born in this country, then under the terms of this new effort to repeal the 14th Amendment the only way to prove you are here legally is to prove that your parents were here legally when you were born. Please provide your parents' naturalization papers, please.
Oh, and if your parents were born in this country, too, then, as you know, without the 14th Amendment, to prove that you actually belong here and not somewhere far, far away from here, we'll be requiring your grandparents papers. All four, please. No worries, we'll wait here while you track them down. Thanks in advance.
And, if any of them were blessed and born in this country, then, you know the drill at this point, without the 14th Amendment, we'll be requiring both your great-grandparents naturalization papers. This could be a set of eight naturalization papers; I guess you could have a nice book to keep them all together.
God bless you for complying with the law. Of course, if you don't fulfill the legal requirements the alternative is to let us know what country you'll be traveling to. It might be one that none of your ancestors have known for generations, but, it's where you'll be going for the rest of your life. Please go without burdening real American taxpayers you God damn illegal immigrant!
Thank you for your cooperation.
It has always been my view that the original author should be the one to decide what something they wrote means. Not those that can see a way of twisting it to their own advantage.
I agree completely that allowing people to break the laws, come here, pop out a kid, and then use that kids citizenship as an emotional club to beat the American people into granting them absolution from their crime was not what people invisioned as the purpose of the 14th amendment.
Then again, I'm sure the founders didn't invision the 2nd amendment allowing someone to fire off two or three clips of ammo in the time it took them to shoot, reload, and shoot again. Or that the 1st amendment would allow someone to be heard by over a million people at the same time if not more.
But those unforseen things aren't reason enough for us as conservatives to go along with laws like assult weapons bans or the fairness doctrine.
I have sympathy for these states and agree with their desire for this, and think its the correct desire to have. But there's a method to do what they want to do and the end around they're doing isn't right. Its something conservatives have rallied against when liberals have done it time and time again, and it is an afront to our principles if we do similar. The constitution is important...ALL of it...and that includes the proper means of bypassing constitutional requirements.
I am by no means a liberal, but this is misguided. People born in the United States are US citizens under the Constitution. End of story. If they want to change this, you need to change the Constitution, which isn't going to happen in this case.
Will the insanity never cease? Are there really this many state lawmakers so ignorant of the essentialness of 14th Amendment to preventing a subclass from forming in this country?
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