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State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

Such little understanding of what you're talking about.

Meanwhile, remember when England wasn't eastern Pakistan?

I was going to reply to this with a demographic chart proving how miniscule the Pakistani population is in England, but... Jetboogieman beat me to it.

Still, for redundancy's sake -- stop listening to every bit of anti-foreign propaganda FOX News puts out.
 

Objective Voice, there were two real reasons why George Bush and the Republican went down in the polls and that was by increasing the debt and the mishandling of the southern border. While he might have been a Republican, he was certainly not a conservative, and his lack of conservatism, especially in these two areas, led to his poor poll numbers and the eventual formation of the Tea Party.

I think it can be agreed that Conservatives and liberals alike disagreed with much of what George Bush did in the latter part of his second term but perhaps for different reasons.

But now the Americans have BHO not only continuing the Bush policies but exaggerating them to the point where recovery is ever less likely.

The Republicans went astray during the last year of the Bush presidency, and most everyone can agree on that.
 



Before you accuse someone of blind partisanship you might want to do a little research first.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/immigration/74274-pro-illegal-scum-mock-civil-right-activist-past.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-elections/62939-mitt-romney-7.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/immig...izona-not-supporting-illegal-immigration.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/immigration/45308-we-need-immigration-reform-says-condi-rice.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/immig...egals-mexico-and-businesses.html?daysprune=-1

http://www.debatepolitics.com/immig...gals-getting-state-services.html?daysprune=-1
 
Brewer's response, however, was much less mature. He essentially said, "Hey, you can't turn me in for human rights violations, I'm an American! I don't have to listen to that "international law" nonsense!"

Well, we don't. :lol:
 

It's my understanding that the UN report is an annual thing and all countries divulge information for its tabulation. It doesn't mean the U.S. is engaged in human rights violations. Hilary is Secretary of State so it would be her job to do this.

I know Fox turns everything into a scandal but this is small potatoes. The UN has also been documenting the U.S. treatment of domestic Muslims since 9/11, and other minorities since long before then. You don't hear a stink about that.
 

But this topic isn't about the economic recovery. So, please, let's not try to derail the topic. It's about illegal immigration and how it hasn't been properly addressed now, nine years ago or 30 years ago particularly by 3 past Republican Presidents but especially by the last one who knew very well the dangers of not security our nation's boarders.

So, let's not place the blame on the current president when clearly this was something that could have been taken care of years ago long BEFORE President Obama or our nation fell into economic decline. I will say this:

If a immigration reform bill doesn't go before President Obama by the time his term is up, he'd be no different on this matter in my eyes than those who came before him. But for now, I'm willing to give him a chance and see if he'll bring the issue back up after the mid-term elections in Nov.
 
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If Europeans were as allied as you claim, every country would have the Euro. You've pretty much made the mistatement of the year to quote a phrase
 


What you're portraying here is a snapshot, Jetboogie, a moment in time.

But demographics are always changing and can quite accurately predict the future, given the accurate input.

Here is a column by Mark Steyn, written a couple of years ago, that is well worth a read for anyone interested in the subject. I know for certain that it was read by several political leaders.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1550345/posts
 

I don't think this is small potatoes at all, Orion, and believe that the American people will agree. This is similar to BHO bowing and scraping to lesser international leaders in order to prove himself, and thus America, worthy.

To kowtow to countries like Libya, Syria, Angola and Egypt is ludicrous and suggests that the United States and these backwaters are both on a similar playing field. Again, this will be used as propaganda tool against the United States and it's certain that our former Allies in Europe will be just as quick as anyone to pick up on this and broadcast it to the world.
 

By, that is a dumb example. Misrepresented in partisan silliness. Almost as bad as those showing Bush holding hands with a leader and saying it means something silly. When will we grow up and show some substance of such silliness.
 

Objective Voice I explicitly said "there were two real reasons why George Bush and the Republican went down in the polls and that was by increasing the debt and the mishandling of the southern border".

They botched it, screwed it up. What more can i add?

Well I can add that BHO is not only continuing the inept policy but adding to it by suing the State most suffering from the lack of law enforcement and is now taking the case to the corrupt United Nations! How goofy is that?

Do you really want the UN to become involved in American jurisprudence, or having countries like Libya and Syria commenting on the lack of human rights in the US?

These people are completely out of touch with reality and, it seems, international politics.
 

That's not what the law states AT ALL. You would do well toe educate yourself about the law rather than listening to tabloid sensationalist propaganda.
 
I don't understand your logic -- the present era in European politics is the single most unified era since Charles V and the Holy Roman Empire five hundred years ago...

You have got to be kidding me...do you watch your own news at all or follow your own politics?
 

Not one of those -- not even the arguable ones (as most of them aren't -- "freedom of speech"? :lamo :lamo) -- shows that the AZ law doesn't mirror federal law, and if you understood what you posted, you'd get that the first three actually support the idea that it does.

So yeah, keep bringing it on and showing you have no idea what you're yapping about.
 
And why on earth not?

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Are you serious, Le Marteau?

Do you really expect the United States, or any sovereign democracy, to adhere to the corrupt crime syndicate we call the "United Nations"?

This is an example of why Europeans cannot always be taken seriously, They feel if they have a big bureaucracy overseeing everything , as in Brussels, a system will somehow emerge that will guarantee fairness and equality for everyone. European history is riddled with this sort of folly. Perhaps it comes from the effect royalty had on the European psyche.

Americans, at least in the past, have seen through the foolishness of this big government theory but those days may be at an end and the Europeanization of America will have begun. We can already see indications of that in their ever escalating rhetoric, where they will side with wacko foreigners rather than with each other. Many Europeans have been seeing the folly of their ways, but it seems its too late for them. Let's hope it is not too late for America.
 
You know, there are problems in Arizona, but that is our business, and not any damn business of the UN. Part of the solution to the Arizona problem is twofold:

1) Get out of the UN.

2) Get the UN out of New York.
 

Well, we'd have to accept that it is corrupt and a criminal syndicate, more so than any other body. It boils down to agreements signed and behavior. If there is a treaty, a law, agreed upon, and that law is broken, isn't that the issue?
 
By, that is a dumb example. Misrepresented in partisan silliness. Almost as bad as those showing Bush holding hands with a leader and saying it means something silly. When will we grow up and show some substance of such silliness.

Agreed, Boo Radley, but where is the substance in taking this case to the United Nations? Can you think of any good it might do?

What's the upside?
 
You know, there are problems in Arizona, but that is our business, and not any damn business of the UN. Part of the solution to the Arizona problem is twofold:

1) Get out of the UN.

2) Get the UN out of New York.

Absobloodylutely!
 
Well, we'd have to accept that it is corrupt and a criminal syndicate, more so than any other body. It boils down to agreements signed and behavior. If there is a treaty, a law, agreed upon, and that law is broken, isn't that the issue?

If an American law has been broken, and that has not even been proved, then it is up to the Americans to settle the issue, not a "World Court" or the United Nations.

Were I ever charged with a crime I'd want to be charged in my home country or, failing that, the United States. But certainly not in the United Nations.

That would be lunacy.
 
Agreed, Boo Radley, but where is the substance in taking this case to the United Nations? Can you think of any good it might do?

What's the upside?

A move toward law that isn't dependent on being acceptable to indpendent nations. That when Iran violates the law, they're held accountable. When a Saddam kills thousands, he is dealt with when he does it, but by a civiliazed world. But law is meaningless if it only applies to a few. If we enforce the law on the Iraqs of the world, who can't defend themselves, but say the law doesn't apply to the US, because no one can enforce it, and break our treadies because we feel like, then there is no law.

Now, maybe it is something we shouldn't strive for. It will be difficult, and difficult things will be open to criticism. But, if we decide, as we have in the past, that this is worth while, we have to be willing to put up, to honor our agreeements, like we expect of anyone here in any contract.
 
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When we sign a tready, it's law. If we break a tready, it's law that we've broken.
 

There is precedent for a World Court or tribunal. It is for people like Hitler and Milosevic, and it is appropriate for mass murder and crimes against humanity that are committed by a nation's government. Other than that, they need to butt out. The Arizona situation is about a soverign nation debating it's own internal problems, and how to solve them, so the UN can just bugger off.

We are a soverign people, and I don't intend to give up the least iota of that soverignty. We can go back and forth, arguing about Arizona, but in the end, it is our business, and nobody else's. If Arizona should ever start throwing Hispanics in ovens, and the Federal government stands behind it, then I might change my mind. But I do not see that happening, in either the near or distant future. Our damn problem - Our damn business, and nobody else's.
 
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A move toward law that isn't dependent on being acceptable to indpendent nations.

And who would enforce this law, Boo Radley? The United Nations? Interpol? Would we have to rely on the Honor System?
That when Iran violates the law, they're held accountable.

They've already broken the law, apparently, and nothing is done. Instead we will rationalize the spread of nuclear weapons and argue that everyone should have a bomb in their backyard, no matter if their IQ resemblles their sandal size.

When a Saddam kills thousands, he is dealt with when he does it, but by a civiliazed world.

Right. By the United States and the hangers on. If it wasn;t for the US Saddam, and those like him, would still be running rape rooms, gassing its people and, for you Greenies, trashing the environment.

But law is meaningless if it only applies to a few. If we enforce the law on the Iraqs of the world, who can't defend themselves, but say the law doesn't apply to the US, because no one can enforce it, and break our treadies because we feel like, then there is no law.

Now, maybe it is something we shouldn't strive for. It will be difficult, and difficult things will be open to criticism. But, if we decide, as we have in the past, that this is worth while, we have to be willing to put up, to honor our agreeements, like we expect of anyone here in any contract.[/QUOTE]
 
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