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BodiSatva said:The only way that I see this war ending soon, is if people start getting pissed. I mean the way they were in the 60's. Mass protests...debates...etc.
Why were the 60's turbulent? For many reasons, but one of them was the draft. Young people were affected and they spoke out about it. We should start the draft, that way people will get pissed and initiate change. Anyway, that was my thought.
I am right...it would help end the war faster, but I am sure that there are inherent problems...what are they?
BodiSatva said:The only way that I see this war ending soon, is if people start getting pissed. I mean the way they were in the 60's. Mass protests...debates...etc.
Why were the 60's turbulent? For many reasons, but one of them was the draft. Young people were affected and they spoke out about it. We should start the draft, that way people will get pissed and initiate change. Anyway, that was my thought.
I am right...it would help end the war faster, but I am sure that there are inherent problems...what are they?
BodiSatva said:The only way that I see this war ending soon, is if people start getting pissed. I mean the way they were in the 60's. Mass protests...debates...etc.
Why were the 60's turbulent? For many reasons, but one of them was the draft. Young people were affected and they spoke out about it. We should start the draft, that way people will get pissed and initiate change. Anyway, that was my thought.
I am right...it would help end the war faster, but I am sure that there are inherent problems...what are they?
BodiSatva said:Regardless…how does my posting this create problems for the Republican Congress? This should be interesting…coming from an obvious smart guy like you who has no issues tossing out the degrading remark with nothing substantiating evidence to an obvious idiot like me.
LogicalReason said:I believe he was saying that the Republican Congress wasn't going to make problems for itself with a draft. I could be wrong though.
Now to the issue.. I actually think that a draft should be started. However not for the reasons of the BodiSatva. In the past decade our military has been slipping further and further from the top. We should step up military funding, improve training, get our soldiers the equipment they need, and increase the size of our armed forces. We could increase the size without a draft.. but if forced to it I believe that congress should not hesitate.
Arch Enemy said:I am thrilled that you consider those who like to indulge in their freedom people who "hate their government". I recommend that you should realize the difference between "hating the government" and being "upset with the government".
I have yet to see Cindy march around with a sign that says, "We want revolution, ransack the government, bring extreme political reform."
BodiSatva said:As a military man, I am sure that you know more and could let us know...
Sir_Alec said:Some people just don't understand that it is not right for the gov't to force people to go to war. If the people really want to go to war then they will sign up. It just shows how much people support the war and how little they want to fight it which makes them the worst kind of hypocrit.
LogicalReason said:If it comes to the survival of our nation... would you rather have a draft and force people to fight for their nation or would you want that nation to die? Personally I have no intentions of fighting in a war either.. and I don't agree with the draft as used in vietnam.. but sometimes the ends justify the means.
star2589 said:a nation that people wont fight for doesnt deserve to exist.
star2589 said:a nation that people wont fight for doesnt deserve to exist.
Arch Enemy said:Ah,
So by your logic... Nazi Germany deserves to exist, Stalin's Russia deserves to exist, Mao Ze Dong's China deserves to exist, oh yeah, and Saddam's Iraq deserves to exist.
That logic is flawed.
ThePhoenix said:A people who will not fight for their country can give up our sovereignty.
ThePhoenix said:If you do not stand up for your country that person does not deserve the protection of our country, however, they will get it anyway.
ThePhoenix said:I will also quote JFK when he said: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". So, one may not believe in the war their country fights, but do you really want your country and your people to suffer at the hands of their enemy because you would not stand and defend them? That is, unless you feel your enemy is your own people.
star2589 said:actually your logic is flawed. its called affirming the consequent
just because a nation who's people wont fight for it doesnt deserve to exist, doesnt mean that all nations that people fight for deserve to exist.
Arch Enemy said:But, likewise that would also mean... "A nation who's people won't fight for it does deserve to exist".
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