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If you have no credibility of your own you have no grounds on which to attack The credibility of others.
And also you have abandoned the argument to attack my credibility. That's an ad hominem.
So you ***DO*** still claim that you know what you're talking about ?
And you base your credibility on what legal training and experience exactly ?
You claim that your opinion is a credible source, but you cannot show any authority for it being so
No, my argument is based on the sources quoted and still stands. Yours is based purely on your own opinion and is unsubstantiated
That is not an ad hominem attack, it is an accusation that you can't demonstrate that you know what you're talking about - and it's true, you can't.
No, I see no possibility that they were justified in their actions. They were overreacting by a country mile. Reasonable people just don't act that way. Your situation was different and I agree with your action. These guys on the other hand were showboating and it's going to cost them.
I doubt that you can be 100% sure of anything
But for our amusement please give an alternative meaning for MAGA
"Mothers Against GOP A*******s" ?
You're attacking my credibility and ignoring my argument because my argument is sound.
Thanks for the compliment.
You have made no argument (I doubt if you understand what one is)
What you have done is state (a highly personal) opinion. And in this regard, you absolutely lack credibility
Your stated opinion lacks support of any kind and is utterly baseless with regard to your credentials, for making any kind qualified judgement on the subject
In short you know NOTHING, yet pretend your opinion is some kind of fact, backed by some kind of reasoned argument. It is not
So it's no longer an ad hominem attack, but it is still an accusation that you don't know what you're talking about
I guess, based on the relative standard of how your posts are valued, it might well rank as a "compliment" on your personal scale.
I have tried through the various threads on the topic to be specific and cite sources and the law for a reason. I happen to be a Missouri lawyer (aw shucks), although I have not practiced there in 35 years. I grew up in St. Louis County (where I was a law enforcement cadet), and my grandmother lived on McPherson (you'll see it on the map). I lived in that neighborhood while in law school, on Waterman (again, map). So I'm familiar with the neighborhood dynamics. Delmar (map) used to be the dividing line between the "good" parts of town (white/rich) and the "others" (read black), but the expense of keeping up mansions, and even modest neighborhoods, drove white flight to the suburbs until the mid-eighties when well-to-do yuppies began the re-gentrification process. The McCloskeys were part of that trend.
Portland Place, and the surrounding blocks, were part of an earlier trend in St. Louis of creating exclusive (VERY white, by law - Jim Crow was very active in st. Louis) enclaves in the early twentieth century. St. Louis and St. Louis County are historically one of the most segregated regions of the country. The story of segregation in St. Louis. That's the background for this situation.
Mayor Krewson lives in an adjacent neighborhood. About 4 blocks from Portland Place. As previously noted, her street does not connect to Kingshighway (see history), so the protesters heading up Kingshighway took the most direct route they could to get to her house. One of the local preachers led the way. The gate was not damaged, as I've noted, upon their entry - video clearly shows and contemporaneous news reports verify. I've no doubt that the crowd was boisterous, but there is no evidence - none - that they were violent. Nor, is there evidence they ever threatened the McCloskeys, other than their self-serving declarations. Mark McCloskey himself admitted that he previously pulled a gun on another unarmed resident that he perceived was "trespassing". That's their only justification, here, too. But, again, there is no evidence the crowd ever entered their property, nor intended to.
There is no legal question that their actions constitute "brandishing" under the previously cited Missouri law. It's textbook.
What's left? The trial, I suppose, where they can present their defense. But enough of making up facts and pretend laws.
My argument is that it was self defense.
You'd say that only because you would say that no matter what the facts indicated. The facts clearly indicate otherwise. But let's not let facts interfere with a preconceived notion.Given prior incidents of "protests" turning into violent lootfests, the question remains this: did the two homeowners have a reasonable fear of being attacked? I'd say YES
You'd say that only because you would say that no matter what the facts indicated. The facts clearly indicate otherwise. But let's not let facts interfere with a preconceived notion.
Given prior incidents of "protests" turning into violent lootfests, the question remains this: did the two homeowners have a reasonable fear of being attacked? I'd say YES
I have tried through the various threads on the topic to be specific and cite sources and the law for a reason. I happen to be a Missouri lawyer (aw shucks), although I have not practiced there in 35 years. I grew up in St. Louis County (where I was a law enforcement cadet), and my grandmother lived on McPherson (you'll see it on the map). I lived in that neighborhood while in law school, on Waterman (again, map). So I'm familiar with the neighborhood dynamics. Delmar (map) used to be the dividing line between the "good" parts of town (white/rich) and the "others" (read black), but the expense of keeping up mansions, and even modest neighborhoods, drove white flight to the suburbs until the mid-eighties when well-to-do yuppies began the re-gentrification process. The McCloskeys were part of that trend.
Portland Place, and the surrounding blocks, were part of an earlier trend in St. Louis of creating exclusive (VERY white, by law - Jim Crow was very active in st. Louis) enclaves in the early twentieth century. St. Louis and St. Louis County are historically one of the most segregated regions of the country. The story of segregation in St. Louis. That's the background for this situation.
Mayor Krewson lives in an adjacent neighborhood. About 4 blocks from Portland Place. As previously noted, her street does not connect to Kingshighway (see history), so the protesters heading up Kingshighway took the most direct route they could to get to her house. One of the local preachers led the way. The gate was not damaged, as I've noted, upon their entry - video clearly shows and contemporaneous news reports verify. I've no doubt that the crowd was boisterous, but there is no evidence - none - that they were violent. Nor, is there evidence they ever threatened the McCloskeys, other than their self-serving declarations. Mark McCloskey himself admitted that he previously pulled a gun on another unarmed resident that he perceived was "trespassing". That's their only justification, here, too. But, again, there is no evidence the crowd ever entered their property, nor intended to.
There is no legal question that their actions constitute "brandishing" under the previously cited Missouri law. It's textbook.
What's left? The trial, I suppose, where they can present their defense. But enough of making up facts and pretend laws.
Repeating unbased assertions does not convert them into facts. If you're ignorant if the circumstances, please oblige the rest of us by refraining from commenting.You are simply wrong. Lots of these protests, LOTS of them, have turned violent and resulted in personal injury as well as property destruction. In many of those cases the police didn't, couldn't or wouldn't intervene.
And despite our resident "no longer practicing lawyer" ....
BINGO!
And being completely ignorant of the facts certainly doesn't inhibit you from vomiting crap all over a conversation.In typical liberal fashion you attempt to mitigate the impact of the trespass into a private neighborhood posted PRIVATE by giving us the history of oppression in the South and other Jim Crow laws, including "white flight" and then onto "yuppie gentrification" as YOUR excuse for the first WRONG done, which was entering into a posted private street in the first place. Your obvious support for entitled behavior IS exactly the same thinking the mob of trespassers had when they decided they didn't want to take the longer route to the Mayor's home in order to do their public 'doxing' and intimidation game on her. They are exactly how a MOB acts, and any homeowner in that neighborhood could have a reasonable fear for the damage to their property or worse.
We don't care what the past history was, it cannot be an excuse for mob rule, other people have rights too even if you don't agree with that.
And being completely ignorant of the facts certainly doesn't inhibit you from vomiting crap all over a conversation.
So that lawyer couple that brandished guns at peaceful protesters lost their AR15 -
St. Louis Cops Seize Gun That Couple Pointed At Black Lives Matter Protesters | HuffPost
And apparently they are also a real pain for their neighbors. I knew that there was more to this than appeared. Stupid people with guns should be separated.
Wrong again: the videos of the incident area very very clear. YOU just don't like the outcome. How about addressing the outcome instead of ducking behind untruthful conjecture.
You'd say that only because you would say that no matter what the facts indicated. The facts clearly indicate otherwise. But let's not let facts interfere with a preconceived notion.
Repeating unbased assertions does not convert them into facts. If you're ignorant if the circumstances, please oblige the rest of us by refraining from commenting.
False.Two city employees assaulted during overnight protest outside St. Louis City Hall, police say | Law and order | stltoday.com
Peaceful day of protests turns violent at night as Ferguson is damaged | Law and order | stltoday.com
Looters take over peaceful protest causing violence, chaos in St. Louis | News Headlines | kmov.com
Armed St. Louis protesters broke iron gate, threatened couple before they drew their own guns, attorney says | Fox News
Police: Four Officers Shot in St. Louis When Protests Turn Violent
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/l...ience/63-b70cabd7-a8e4-4298-a05d-9f35d3d12f3d
Tragic watching people like you literally squat and take a giant **** on your own integrity.
You talk about 'facts'. Start there. True or false...the 'protestors' tore broke down gates to a private community?
So you arent satisfied with ****ting on your integrity...you have to smear it all over your character as well...I see...False.
You'd say that only because you would say that no matter what the facts indicated. The facts clearly indicate otherwise. But let's not let facts interfere with a preconceived notion.
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