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SS: Republicans Continue Robbing From the Poor

Now, how is all this "charity" going to be paid for? How does charity for all work in a country of 330 million Americans with 50 sovereign states and cost of living differences? We already know that charity is woefully inadequate at serving the needs of everyone. You've failed to address my point and saying that churches exist is not an answer.


I think you have a good point, however is it possible there are overwhelming reasons that charities fail today to address the needs of..those in need.



You didn't address my point.

Your post sounds like someone very young and totally lacking in understanding of how charities work and where they are located. these are individual charities located in the state and local communities not national charities giving out funds to other states and locations. They are solely funded by private donations and local taxes and are best suited for solving local problems. yours is to allow the federal bureaucrats to throw money at the problem and hope it sticks. that is never going to happen

I addressed you point, you don't like the answer, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence until you get there. People aren't breaking down walls to get into these liberal utopia countries like they are trying to get here, why?
 
...as near as I can read this, according to your link, Social Security was originally passed as a pay-go system. If you want to say that FDR wished we'd had things like individual pre-payed accounts, okay. That doesn't really change what Social Security has always been.

Thank you, however, for the link. That is a most interesting piece of testimony it cites.

The original legislation called for 6% payroll taxes. The first step-up was waived in 1940. The second step up was waived in 1942 or so. FDR veto'd the change, and Congress overrode his veto. Unclear when the others were waived, but it is likely after FDR was no longer president. So no it wasn't a pay-as-you-go system. That really didn't happen in earnest until the 1950s, when Congress was passing benefit increase such that the system was heading for insolvency in the late 1950s - I think.
 
Wow, what a mess Obama left!

Yep, and Bush Jr before him.... In fact, it was Bush Jr. that cut taxes, relying on social security surplus to pay the general federal bills.

The good thing about social security: its about the easiest thing in Washington to fix.
 
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I deleted the rest of your narrative, because it was your typical partisan shill rant. So is this the way Texas handles all their unfunctioning members of society? Do they take care of all those with mental health issues, physical disabilities, and emontional instability through charities and community support? Do I have to pull up some links that show that this isn't true, or should I call this STRIKE TWO? Maybe somebody else from Texas would want to weigh in...

I wonder if there is ever going to come a time when you admit that you are wrong on any issue and admit in this forum that you have no idea what you are talking about?
 
I hear it all the time from Republicans - not directly, but every time they start talking about Federal Control versus State Control. Their news source, FOX, tells Americans that welfare recipients are stealing money from working people, and working people just gobble this crap up. That is - until they really have to acknowledge that there are people who cannot fend for themselves.



Actually, most welfare programs are administered by State and Local municipalities. Because of Social Security, there are some federal funds involved, but there are also state funds. I don't think the system is broken. I think the problem is much more vast than people want to acknowledge.

I hear it all the time from Republicans - not directly, but every time they start talking about Federal Control versus State Control. Their news source, FOX, tells Americans that welfare recipients are stealing money from working people, and working people just gobble this crap up. That is - until they really have to acknowledge that there are people who cannot fend for themselves.

Ah. So, no. You can't :) I thought as such.

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Yep, and Bush Jr before him.... In fact, it was Bush Jr. that cut taxes, relying on social security surplus to pay the general federal bills.

The good thing about social security: its about the easiest thing in Washington to fix.


More misery for you radicals

Stocks end week at new highs as good GDP data offsets poor earnings | Fox Business

First-quarter gross domestic product grew 3.2 percent, the Commerce Department said Friday morning, beating estimates for 2.5 percent growth, compared to a 2.2 percent increase in the last quarter of 2018. First quarter GDP growth was the fastest in six years.
 

Ah, we are back to quoting stock prices again. Live by the sword; die by the sword.

That is all very nice, but in and of itself does not tell us the economy is strong as the benefit of this rests with the few. But, even that is irrelevant as the assault on our US Constitution by this wretched human being that isn't worthy of a reality TV show, much less people dignifying him with "Mr. President, is not to be rationalized away by a nice stock price.

There is an ugly term for those that will turn away from values for the dollar. The Spanish term is "puta"

Some of us actually believe in something that is greater than the dollar.
 
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Your post sounds like someone very young and totally lacking in understanding of how charities work and where they are located. these are individual charities located in the state and local communities not national charities giving out funds to other states and locations. They are solely funded by private donations and local taxes and are best suited for solving local problems. yours is to allow the federal bureaucrats to throw money at the problem and hope it sticks. that is never going to happen

These charities are currently failing us, and you've failed to respond to any of my point yet again.

I addressed you point, you don't like the answer, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence until you get there. People aren't breaking down walls to get into these liberal utopia countries like they are trying to get here, why?

Oh wise conservative have YOU ever lived in one of these countries?
 
You probably deleted my answer because it wasn't the one you wanted to hear, taking care of those with mental health, physical disabilities, and emotional instability doesn't need massive gov't programs and could indeed be handled by the state if taxes were reduced at the federal level to do that. You don't seem to grasp the reality that people pay federal, STATE, AND LOCAL Taxes and keep calling for more federal taxes so where does the state get its money? Yes, TX does care for those individuals through local charities but I am still waiting for you to explain why people keep moving to this liberal claimed "hell hole" and not those incredible blue states with high taxes and benefits?

You can pull whatever links you want but I live in TX and you don't nor do you apparently understand the role of the federal, state, and local governments. Your links are normally without context and normally personal opinions. I live in a community with the best non profit charity that I have ever seen funded solely by local citizens, and local taxes that provides for healthcare facility for people without healthcare, provide counseling and mental health services and all the other so called things you deem important. States can do this but not without federal gov't giving up the control and giving up the tax dollars coming from the states and no bureaucrat is going to do that.

You may be one of the most poorly informed posters in this forum and that is saying a lot, totally partisan and totally incapable of actual doing research to verify what you are told

The basis of this thread is nothing more than liberal propaganda indoctrinating good people into believing that Republicans want to starve people, kill seniors, and pollute the air with the only solution being Democratic socialism

Strike Three!
 
Ah, we are back to quoting stock prices again. Live by the sword; die by the sword.

That is all very nice, but in and of itself does not tell us the economy is strong as the benefit of this rests with the few. But, even that is irrelevant as the assault on our US Constitution by this wretched human being that isn't worthy of a reality TV show, much less people dignifying him with "Mr. President, is not to be rationalized away by a nice stock price.

There is an ugly term for those that will turn away from values for the dollar. The Spanish term is "puta"

Some of us actually believe in something that is greater than the dollar.

Assault on the Constitution?? No that would be the radical left including you. Do you lay in bed at night thinking up accusations to levy on Trump? Unlike you who seems to depend on the massive central gov't, the people are benefiting from the Trump economy without massive gov't support. Putting food on the table, clothes on their backs, and a roof over their head has driven the Trump job approval on the economy at 52% and no President has ever lost re-election with approval ratings over 50%

If you are going to make claims you better have the facts to back them up and you don't!!
 
These charities are currently failing us, and you've failed to respond to any of my point yet again.



Oh wise conservative have YOU ever lived in one of these countries?

How do you know charities are failing? I see a 22 trillion dollar debt, over 100 million Americans dependent on the gov't. Is that your idea of a success?

I choose to live in this country and I choose to be held accountable for personal responsibility issues and consequences for poor choices made
 
How do you know charities are failing? over 100 million Americans dependent on the gov't. Is that your idea of a success?

Oh wise conservative, you've answered your own question, yet have failed to respond to any of mine.
 
I wonder if there is ever going to come a time when you admit that you are wrong on any issue and admit in this forum that you have no idea what you are talking about?
And LOOK who's talking
Have a nice day
 
Keep whining, complaining, and showing your own ignorance regarding economic results and reality

Stocks end week at new highs as good GDP data offsets poor earnings | Fox Business

Then there is this

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval - Economy

Maybe the poor aren't being polled?? LOL
Again you show us all you are interested in is people who have money
YES the Stock market is up but most working people do not own stocks
Real wages are pretty much flat because of inflation
Why the economy performs better under Democratic presidents | Fortune

Real wages are essentially flat in the past year

As inflation increases it puts a damper on wages. While average hourly earnings have increased from $26.34 per hour to $27.05, or 2.7% over the past year, inflation at 2.9% has actually lead to real wages falling a small amount from $10.78 per hour a year ago to $10.76 in July this year.

as you can see Wages went up 2.7% and Inflation went up 2.9 Percent so real wages went down point 2%
so real wages went down and the debt is going up like a rocket.

Trump gets good news on wages | TheHill

But even the latest increase only just offsets rising inflation, each having risen 2.9 percent in the past year.

Trump economy: workers aren’t seeing an economic boom - Vox

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/d...st-of-living-rises-at-a-faster-pace-2019-01-1

https://www.businessinsider.com/workers-wages-have-been-flat-to-lower-since-the-trump-tax-cuts-2018-

Yes the economy is doing better FOR THE PEOPLE who have money they can invest but not for the average working person
have a nice day
 
Again you show us all you are interested in is people who have money
YES the Stock market is up but most working people do not own stocks
Real wages are pretty much flat because of inflation
Why the economy performs better under Democratic presidents | Fortune

Real wages are essentially flat in the past year

As inflation increases it puts a damper on wages. While average hourly earnings have increased from $26.34 per hour to $27.05, or 2.7% over the past year, inflation at 2.9% has actually lead to real wages falling a small amount from $10.78 per hour a year ago to $10.76 in July this year.

as you can see Wages went up 2.7% and Inflation went up 2.9 Percent so real wages went down point 2%
so real wages went down and the debt is going up like a rocket.

Trump gets good news on wages | TheHill

But even the latest increase only just offsets rising inflation, each having risen 2.9 percent in the past year.

Trump economy: workers aren’t seeing an economic boom - Vox

MarketWatch.com

https://www.businessinsider.com/workers-wages-have-been-flat-to-lower-since-the-trump-tax-cuts-2018-

Yes the economy is doing better FOR THE PEOPLE who have money they can invest but not for the average working person
have a nice day

So raising your kids did you teach them that someone else would always be there to pay for their personal responsibility issues? Did you teach them that they were entitled to a job with whatever pay they wanted? Did you teach them that there never are any consequences for poor personal choices?

52% of the people approve of the job Trump is doing on the economy and it does seem that poll numbers only matter to you when they are negative or seem to promote your ideology. You are part of the problem not part of the solutions, spreading gloom and doom and misery. You have a good day, I always do as you make me laugh
 
How do you know charities are failing? I see a 22 trillion dollar debt, over 100 million Americans dependent on the gov't. Is that your idea of a success?

I choose to live in this country and I choose to be held accountable for personal responsibility issues and consequences for poor choices made

Interesting - you make a statement that Texas takes care of their Mentally, Physically, and Emotionally handicapped people with charity. And then you ask Fruityfact - "How do you know charities are failing?" Sorry pal, but the burden is on you to back up your preposterous statement.
 
So raising your kids did you teach them that someone else would always be there to pay for their personal responsibility issues? Did you teach them that they were entitled to a job with whatever pay they wanted? Did you teach them that there never are any consequences for poor personal choices?

52% of the people approve of the job Trump is doing on the economy and it does seem that poll numbers only matter to you when they are negative or seem to promote your ideology. You are part of the problem not part of the solutions, spreading gloom and doom and misery. You have a good day, I always do as you make me laugh
Again you show everybody you don't know anything about me
My kids were taught that you had to work to get anything and to do the best job you can
and they know the difference between right and wrong.
They are successful and live very good lives.
Trumps approval rating on the economy may be high but his over all approval rating is one of the lowest of any of our presidents

Trump’s Approval Rating Is Incredibly Steady. Is That Weird Or The New Normal? | FiveThirtyEight

USA TODAY

Presidential Approval Ratings -- Donald Trump

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval

looks like Trumps over all approval rating is lower then his disapproval rating
have a nice day
 
Interesting - you make a statement that Texas takes care of their Mentally, Physically, and Emotionally handicapped people with charity. And then you ask Fruityfact - "How do you know charities are failing?" Sorry pal, but the burden is on you to back up your preposterous statement.
looks like they don't do a very good job
Texas is 43rd in the Nation for taking care of their Mentally, Physically, and Emotionally handicapped people
Ranking the States | Mental Health America
2017 State of Mental Health in America - Ranking the States | Mental Health America
How States Rank on Health Care
have a nice day
 
Again you show everybody you don't know anything about me
My kids were taught that you had to work to get anything and to do the best job you can
and they know the difference between right and wrong.
They are successful and live very good lives.
Trumps approval rating on the economy may be high but his over all approval rating is one of the lowest of any of our presidents

Trump’s Approval Rating Is Incredibly Steady. Is That Weird Or The New Normal? | FiveThirtyEight

USA TODAY

Presidential Approval Ratings -- Donald Trump

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval

looks like Trumps over all approval rating is lower then his disapproval rating
have a nice day

And when it comes to making a decision what matters is the economy and how people are doing in taking care of their families. Your kids may be successful but you post like an entitlement liberal. Don't really care about Trump's approval rating on anything but the economy and unless the Democrats nominate someone other than one of the radicals announced you can bash Trump for another 4 years after 2020. There is absolutely NO REASON to vote for a Democrat in 2020 as they have offered nothing positive for the American people whereas Trump has generated nothing but positives with regard to the pocketbook issues.
 
looks like they don't do a very good job
Texas is 43rd in the Nation for taking care of their Mentally, Physically, and Emotionally handicapped people
Ranking the States | Mental Health America
2017 State of Mental Health in America - Ranking the States | Mental Health America
How States Rank on Health Care
have a nice day

Reconcile all these poll numbers with the population growth numbers, do you see a disconnect here? Why would people move to a state as bad as the poll numbers say TX is? Ever consider and probably not that you don't know as much about the state as someone who has lived here 27 years?
 
And when it comes to making a decision what matters is the economy and how people are doing in taking care of their families. Your kids may be successful but you post like an entitlement liberal. Don't really care about Trump's approval rating on anything but the economy and unless the Democrats nominate someone other than one of the radicals announced you can bash Trump for another 4 years after 2020. There is absolutely NO REASON to vote for a Democrat in 2020 as they have offered nothing positive for the American people whereas Trump has generated nothing but positives with regard to the pocketbook issues.
When are you going to wake up?
fact is the only people that are doing better now then they did before the Trump tax cut are the rich, people who have money to invest in the stock market, NOT the average hard working American.
Yes, there are a lot more people working now then there was when Obama took office and the economy is doing better
but YOU don't want to admit that Obama took over the worst Recession EVER and McConnell and the Republicans took over the Congress and swore they would do everything they could to make Obama a one term President.
and they had complete control of Congress for years and the FACT is the " recovery " would have been more robust and a LOT stronger IF the Republicans would have worked with Obama and NOT tried to do everything they could to make him look as bad as Bush II was.
YOU and other Republicans keep trying to compare the economy under Obama's first two years and Trumps first two years' first of all Obama had to deal with the worst recession EVER
and Trump took over a recovering economy, YES it was a slow recovery BUT , and I say but IF the Republicans would have taken in the welfare of the people of the US and NOT did everything they could to make Obama look bad that slow recovery would have and could have been one of the most robust recoveries , BUT NO they did everything they could to slow it down, and then when Trump became President they tried to make him look good, and he still ran the debt UP MORE in his first fiscal year then Obama did in 5 out of the 8 years he was in office
They lied to the People saying they were going to " repeal and replace" the ACA
They had COMPLETE control of the US Government and could NOT even do the one thing they all ran on.
YES the GDP is up 3.5% or a little more and the stock market is going up and up
but the average person right now is not farther a head
YES wages went up an average of 1.9% and inflation has gone up 2.9% so they have lost real buying power.
Yes they saw an increase in their checks after the Trump tax cut, but why? they took out less withholding's and when it came to income tax time they got a lot less back then they did last year.
and most of the people I know that took the standard deduction last year after adding in what they got back in their checks and adding that to what they got beck in refunds they figured out they their income taxes went up.
Yes the stock market has gone up and most people who work for a living paid more in income tax this year then last, oh yes the GDP is up but most of that comes from people who invest in the stock market, big Corporations not having to pay income taxes on the millions or BILLIONS they are making in US profits. NOT from the hard working American
Have a nice night
 
US should have elected Gore and gone with the "lockbox."

SS would be solvent and today we would all be flying in electric cars like the Jetsons. Instead, we elected a backwards Christian from Texas.

If we would have elected Gore, he would never have written his book, made his movie and we wouldn't be talking about global warming. Dude had too much spare time on his hands, he had to come up with something.
 
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