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Lachean said:Im not exactly sure what your beef with teachers is. You're pointing out a few bad apples.
Do you really think public schools encourage socialism?
Captain America said:There is no question that public education is a form of socialism just as libraries, fire-departments, police departments and free clinics are.
I, too, wonder why ptsdkid has a beef with teachers. By all appearances, it seems he probably has never even met one.
***I hope you read my answer as to why I have a problem with public school teachers. Sure wouldn't want you to keep wondering. Just the fact that you keep responding to me with empty rhetoric, makes me believe that you've learned nothing from those wasted years inside of public classrooms.
PS.......posting a Coulter opinion is not much different than posting vile porn. We have a rule here about posting profane porn. Shouldn't we have one for Coulter as well?:mrgreen:
ptsdkid said:****Better than getting periodic snippets of Coulter's work here from me, I suggest you read her book 'Godless'. Look, I'll even give you a B- for effort in seeking the truth by reading Ann's book. I'll give you an A- if you do so with an open mind (and I do realize an open mind for a liberal) is almost an exercise in futility, thus the A- for an attempt.
Captain America said:Off your meds again kid?
ptsdkid said:***When the doctor's suggested/prescribed Zoloft, Ambien, Trazadone, Busbar, Prozac etc., I said no way...that I'll be going it el naturale. How do you suppose I would be able to teach liberals to become patriotic conservatives..had my mind been distorted with dangerous drug intake? Isn't it the liberals that want to 'liberalize' our drug laws? No, thanks to my independent thinking and clear-headedness--you've been blessed with reading the truth from every one of my postings. I just hope that my continued use of the 'truth' doesn't jeopardize the postings to basement status. You know we have a somewhat fickle liberal moderation staff here...doncha?
ptsdkid said:The liberal priesthood: spare the rod, spoil the teacher, by Ann Coulter.
The only group in society that must be spoken of in reverential terms at all times, no matter what, is public school teachers. Attack the Boy Scouts, boycott Mel Gibson, put Christ in a jar of urine--but don't dare say anything bad about teachers. Unless you want it noted on your permanent record...We are simultaneously supposed to gasp in awe at teachers' raw dedication and be forced to listen to their incessant caterwauling about how they don't make enough money. Well, which is it? Are they dedicated to teaching or are they in it for the money? After all the carping about how little teachers are paid, if someone enters the teaching profession for the big bucks, aren't they too stupid to be teaching our kids?
Public school teachers are the new priesthood while traditional religion is ridiculed and maligned. As portrayed in the national pulpit of Hollywood, leaders of God-based religions are invariably lying scum. Not since Alfred Hitchcock's I Confess (1953) has Hollywood conceived of a priest or minister who was not a Nazi sympathizer, sexual predator, or some other breed of moral viper. Priests and ministers are smarmy, humorless hypocrites in movies like The People vs Larry Flynt (but the pornographer comes off favorably!), Judgment (child-molesting priest), and The Runner Stumbles (Dick Van Dyke as a hypocritical priest who impregnates a nun). In Sister Act, Whoopi Goldberg is a Reno lounge singer on the lam who shakes up the stogy convent with her fun, upbeat attitude. The late, briefly aired, and little-missed TV show The Book of Daniel was about a drug-dealing daughter, one gay son, and another son who was having sex with his sister-in-law. In other words, it was a typical Hollywood family drama.
By contrast, the moment a teacher walks onto the screen, you know who the hero is going to be. Teachers are Robin Williams in Dead Poets Society, Michelle Pheiffer in Dangerous Minds, Jon Voight in Conrack, Richard Dreyfuss in Mr. Holland's Opus, Kevin Kline in the Emperor's Club, Morgan Freeman in Lean on Me, and Julia Roberts in Mona Lisa Smile. Among the Teacher-as-Saint movies are Goodbye Mr. Chips (three versions); The Blackboard Jungle; Stand and deliver; and on and on and on. There are only two possible plots in movies about teachers: either inspirational teachers bring their passion and dedication to inner-city schools or inspirational teachers bring their passion and dedication to bored suburban kids.
In real life, these taxpayer-supported parasites are inculcating students in the precepts of the SDocialist Party of America--as understood by retarted people. In early 2006, Sean Allen, a student at Overland High School in Colorado, taped his tenth-grade "world geography" teacher Jay Bennish ranting incoherently about Bush for twenty minutes during class. After a brief detour during which Bennish condemned the capitalist system, he proceeded briskly to his main point...George W. Bush is like Hitler!
Although surely smarter than Bennish, not all American teenagers are bright enough to withstand the constant propaganda from authjority figures who are grading them. Part of Bennish's Socratic dialogue that day included this exchange:
Bennish: Who is probably the single most violent nation on planet Earth?! [sic]
Unidentified student apple-polisher: We are!
Bennish: The United States of America!
hipsterdufus said:This doesn't even warrant a comment.
ptsdkid said:***It has been my experience that those not finishing high school will always resort to deflecting or avoiding the truth. Thanks for making that axiom stand.
Originally Posted by ptsdkid
public school teacher's union (with 100% liberal membership)
Originally Posted by Captain America
There is no question that public education is a form of socialism
iginally Posted by ptsdkid
***It has been my experience that those not finishing high school will always resort to deflecting or avoiding the truth.
Originally Posted by hipsterdufus
This doesn't even warrant a comment.
Originally Posted by ptsdkid
The liberal priesthood: spare the rod, spoil the teacher, by Ann Coulter.
...........
Although surely smarter than Bennish, not all American teenagers are bright enough to withstand the constant propaganda from authjority figures who are grading them. Part of Bennish's Socratic dialogue that day included this exchange:
Bennish: Who is probably the single most violent nation on planet Earth?! [sic]
Unidentified student apple-polisher: We are!
Bennish: The United States of America!
Socialism tries to equalize everyone by discouraging goal orientation and the incentive to strive, or in accepting responsibility. The dumbing down of America comes from the mediocre standards set in our public schools by these liberal teacher unionists.
I doubt whether teachers in the US have a much different experience.
paulmarkj said:As a teacher in the UK I have heard these criticisms before. The situation may be different here, but I doubt it is very different. A few facts, lengthy, I know, but then the criticisms were many:
1) The curriculum is not decided by the teachers, the government decides the curriculum.
*****Since when does the government decide the curriculum? I can't see the government voting yeah to allow the teachings of alternative sex studies and alternative life styles to trump and often minimize the teaching of the 3 r's. Perhaps they do it in Socialist Europe--but not quite here as of yet. No, its the liberal teacher's unions that make the final decision in what our children learn.
First, teachers must differntiate. If you have every heard teachers talking, the word 'differentiating' comes up a lot! Lessons must be set with all children in mind, from the low achievers to the high achievers.
*****That is total bunk. Here in America, as the dumbing down process continues, so does the outcome based grading system where no student fails so as not to psychologically destroy their will. This is comparable to the liberal affirmative action law that basically guarantees a flunky student a seat at Harvard's freshman class.
Schools must identify their top 5% and bottom 5% in each subject and have in place special needs measures. Eg: extra lessons, different tasks. Even within the middle 90% there should be differetiation. So, I may set 3 different tasks for three ability levels plus a different task for top 5% and another of the bottom 5%.
*****Again, what you say there does not happen here in the U. S. of A. Everyone here as planned by the teacher's unions have unity in grade outcome regardless of their mental deficiencies. Give everyone a chance to become mediocre at best, while protecting the student from competive, aggressive American behavior. Students of today cannot tell you who our first or current president are, but they can tell you all about how Johnny has two moms, and of the sexual escapades of Bill Clinton.
Second, Teachers are duty bound to have high expectations of all pupils. It is the law and we are inspected on this point. Pupils are expected to strive to meet their highest level. But it is a different level for each pupil. A child can only improve his or her knowledge a little at a time, teachers call this scaffoldinf. When you build scaffolding you can build outwards or upwards one floor at a time - if a child is on level 3, his achievement is to get to level 4 - for which he should be encouraged and praised, even if his age group are mostly at level 6. Conversely, a child in the same class at level 8, he would expected to move to level 9.
*****Again, this does not apply here in America. The teachers here only care about themself and the political power they can muster from their liberal union.
Third, goal orientation is big in school. Each lesson has a goal, call a target or LO (learning objective) that most pupiks write in their books at the start of the lesson. The work is marked against the LO and many school ask the children to say if they think they reached the LO, as a way of encouraging them to be goal oriented.
*****Again, total bonk here in the states. How can the students be taught goal orientation if they are trained not to compete, not to excel, and to be happy with mediocrity where everyone becomes a cloned equal?
2) Teachers work very hard. When I was working full time I start work in school at 7:30 and left a 18:00. And believe me, it was hard work. I then came home and worked: marking about 90 books an evening and prep for the next day (remembering that I may setting 5 different tasks in each lesson). Children's holidays were not teachers holidays. Reports need to be written, monitoring and assessment, research, etc.
*****No comment here, other than to say it doesn't matter how hard a teacher prepares for her class and students, if the final outcome is based on holding the child's hand while they're being potty trained.
4) All children deserve an education. This is government policy, forced on teachers whether they like it or not. But personally, I do agree with it. If you want a great country, a better country, then the way to weed out the layabouts and worthless is to educate them and make them feel worthwhile. You cannot throw them all onto the scrapheap or into prison, but you can help them to do better.
*****Yes, all children deserve an education.
5) Teachers don't do it for the money: I don't know ehere you got the idea that teacher get paid huge sums.
*****I never said teachers' do it for the money.
In the UK there are about 450,000 teachers. In the US I guess there must be about 2,000,000. Of course there are going to be some bad teachers as there are bad nurses, doctors, judges, policemen, servicemen. If you feel it is your job to weed out the bad ones, then do it, but don't blame the good ones.
*****Sure there are good teachers, but the curriculum that the union gives them to teach by is terribly flawed.
BodiSatva said:ptskid
What is your experience in the field of Education?
Originally Posted by C.A.
He grad-gee-ated the 6th grade.
Paulmarkj
The curriculum is not decided by the teachers, the government decides the curriculum.
ptsdkid
*****Since when does the government decide the curriculum? I can't see the government voting yeah to allow the teachings of alternative sex studies and alternative life styles to trump and often minimize the teaching of the 3 r's. Perhaps they do it in Socialist Europe--but not quite here as of yet. No, its the liberal teacher's unions that make the final decision in what our children learn.
ptsdkid
the curriculum that the union gives them to teach by is terribly flawed.
State Board of Education
The State Board of Education (SBE) is the governing and policy-making body of the California Department of Education. The SBE sets K-12 education policy in the areas of standards, instructional materials, assessment, and accountability. The SBE adopts textbooks for grades K-8, adopts regulations to implement legislation, and has authority to grant waivers of the Education Code. The SBE has 11 members, appointed by the Governor.
http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/index.asp
ptsdkid said:Although surely smarter than Bennish, not all American teenagers are bright enough to withstand the constant propaganda from authjority figures who are grading them.
100% liberal membership? Do you have a source for that?ptsdkid said:***If you were to agree that unions make up the nuts and bolts of pure socialism (as do I)--then the public school teacher's union (with 100% liberal membership) have been taking it a bit further than just encouraging socialism--they're teaching it!
ptsdkid said:***Socialism tries to equalize everyone by discouraging goal orientation and the incentive to strive, or in accepting responsibility. The dumbing down of America comes from the mediocre standards set in our public schools by these liberal teacher unionists.
Do you even know any teachers?ptsdkid said:So no, there are not just a few bad apples...they're all bad.
If you would have said socialists or far left liberals I would have agreed with you on this point.ptsdkid said:Liberals do not believe in Capitalism, nor in individual acheivements.
Again, that is something I never experienced in my high school career. Sorry, but from personal experience I have to call that bull****. But then again I live in a very conservative state so....*shrug*ptsdkid said:Public school systems believe it is more important to teach Johnny to accept and understand the politically correct views of a homosexual marriage over learning how to add 2 + 2, or in learning about our nation's history as it was laid down to us by our forefathers.
ptsdkid said:***If you were to agree that unions make up the nuts and bolts of pure socialism (as do I)--then the public school teacher's union (with 100% liberal membership)
Educational Investigation Agency said:* Political leanings. These questions produced some curious results. NEA found that 45 percent of teachers are Democrats, 28 percent are Republicans, and 27 percent have no party affiliation. NEA’s own political surveys, taken after each election cycle, show similar results. But when asked about political philosophy, 56 percent of teachers described themselves as conservative or “tend to be conservative” while only 44 percent said they were liberal or “tend to be liberal.”
ptsdkid said:The dumbing down of America comes from the mediocre standards set in our public schools by these liberal teacher unionists.
ptsdkid said:****they're all bad.
ptsdkid said:In real life, these taxpayer-supported parasites are inculcating students in the precepts of the SDocialist Party of America--as understood by retarted people.
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