Spike in virus cases not driven by protests, experts say

[TU Curmudgeon]

From The Christian Science Monitor

Spike in virus cases not driven by protests, experts say
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There is little evidence that the protests that erupted after George Floyd’s death caused a significant increase in United States coronavirus infections, according to public health experts.If the protests had driven an explosion in cases, experts say, the jumps would have started to become apparent within two weeks – and perhaps as early as five days. But that didn’t happen in many cities with the largest protests, including New York, Chicago, Minneapolis, and Washington, D.C.

In what’s considered the first systematic look at the question, a team of economists determined that only one of 13 cities involved in the earliest wave of protests after Memorial Day had an increase that would fit the pattern.

It was Phoenix, where experts say cases and hospitalizations surged after a decision by Gov. Doug Ducey to end Arizona’s stay-at-home order on May 15 and eased restrictions on businesses. Arizona residents who were cooped up for six weeks flooded Phoenix-area bar districts, ignoring social distancing guidelines.

In many cities, the protests actually seemed to lead to a net increase in social distancing, as more people who did not protest decided to stay off the streets, said that study’s lead author, Dhaval Dave of Bentley University.

COMMENT:-

Yet another loony, leftist, socialist, liberal, pinko, commie lying so-called "news" site?
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[X Factor]

So, just as I thought, the lockdowns were never necessary.

 

[Mongidig]

From The Christian Science Monitor

Spike in virus cases not driven by protests, experts say
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There is little evidence that the protests that erupted after George Floyd’s death caused a significant increase in United States coronavirus infections, according to public health experts.If the protests had driven an explosion in cases, experts say, the jumps would have started to become apparent within two weeks – and perhaps as early as five days. But that didn’t happen in many cities with the largest protests, including New York, Chicago, Minneapolis, and Washington, D.C.

In what’s considered the first systematic look at the question, a team of economists determined that only one of 13 cities involved in the earliest wave of protests after Memorial Day had an increase that would fit the pattern.

It was Phoenix, where experts say cases and hospitalizations surged after a decision by Gov. Doug Ducey to end Arizona’s stay-at-home order on May 15 and eased restrictions on businesses. Arizona residents who were cooped up for six weeks flooded Phoenix-area bar districts, ignoring social distancing guidelines.

In many cities, the protests actually seemed to lead to a net increase in social distancing, as more people who did not protest decided to stay off the streets, said that study’s lead author, Dhaval Dave of Bentley University.

COMMENT:-

Yet another loony, leftist, socialist, liberal, pinko, commie lying so-called "news" site?
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That's what happens when tracers aren't allowed to ask if you were at a protest.

 

[beefheart]

So, just as I thought, the lockdowns were never necessary.

No....you aren't paying attention.

 

[Helix]

don't gather in large crowds during a pandemic.

 

[Court Jester]

It isn't the protests or the looting.
It isn't the Trump rallies.
It isn't even opening of businesses.

Most of the spike is due to STUPID people who falsely think wearing a mask protects THEM. Wearing a mask (other than a N95) is supposed to protect other people. But all the mask wearing low brow low IQ sheeple think it makes them impervious to community infection so then they wear a mask and then don't bother to social distance; they figure I HAVE A MASK ON so I'll be fine.

You DON'T need to wear a mask outside if you can keep social distance. And wearing a mask indoors unless it is a properly worn N95 means all you are doing is rolling the dice and hoping the next person isn't breathing their sh** into your lungs.

 

[What if...?]

So, just as I thought, the lockdowns were never necessary.

They only became necessary when we didn't believe in trump enough for our collective faith to give him the power to simply wish it away.

So the fairies didn't fly around catching all those pesky viruseses and it spread far and wide killing a quarter of those who have died. In a country with only 5% of the worlds population.

All because we didn't just believe....

And here we ****ing are.

The only real difference between us and the countries doing much better is that far more of their adults are adults.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

So, just as I thought, the lockdowns were never necessary.

Other than the fact that you either didn't bother to read the article, or that you didn't understand the article if you did read it, or that you are mindlessly regurgitating the latest version of the currently operative, officially sanctioned, "Team Trump" approved, White House issued, truth-of-the-day, exactly what are you trying to tell people?

 

[X Factor]

Other than the fact that you either didn't bother to read the article, or that you didn't understand the article if you did read it, or that you are mindlessly regurgitating the latest version of the currently operative, officially sanctioned, "Team Trump" approved, White House issued, truth-of-the-day, exactly what are you trying to tell people?

I’m saying this appears to show that even mass gatherings don’t necessarily result in any kind of spike.

 

[Visbek]

I’m saying this appears to show that even mass gatherings don’t necessarily result in any kind of spike.

That isn't what the paper is saying.

Even if it was the case that the virus does not transmit very effectively outdoors, that would only provide evidence that the virus spreads efficiently INDOORS, which is the target of the vast majority most social distancing.

Plus, in case you missed it... There are definitely spikes in cases. Did you really miss that part?

 

[X Factor]

That isn't what the paper is saying.

Even if it was the case that the virus does not transmit very effectively outdoors, that would only provide evidence that the virus spreads efficiently INDOORS, which is the target of the vast majority most social distancing.

Plus, in case you missed it... There are definitely spikes in cases. Did you really miss that part?

No, I’m not denying that part. I’m just saying that having lots of people in close proximity isn’t necessarily a problem.

 

[Metric Mouse]

*Sigh*


I love when people post non peer reviewed studies as if they actually mean anything. It looks like it's my lucky day!

 

[iguanaman]

That's what happens when tracers aren't allowed to ask if you were at a protest.

What are "tracers"? We have virtually no contact tracing in Florida and now it is pointless with over 10,000 new cases a day. This what happens when the Federal Govt. is AWOL in this pandemic. Leaving it all to the States has been a disaster.

While some states preparing to reopen their economies have hired armies of people to trace novel coronavirus infections, Florida won’t say if it has a long-term plan to keep the virus at bay through contact tracing — a labor-intensive method of tracking down newly infected people and their close contacts in an effort to isolate them and stop the disease from spreading.

Contact tracing is considered by public health experts as a critical part of suppressing a possible second wave of COVID-19, but at a news conference Wednesday, Florida Surgeon General Scott Rivkees offered little detail on the state’s efforts despite saying that “this is a way that we actually stop the cycle of transmission.”

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[Visbek]

No, I’m not denying that part. I’m just saying that having lots of people in close proximity isn’t necessarily a problem.

Except we know it is -- most definitely when they are indoors, not socially distancing, not in a properly ventilated space, not wearing masks....

What makes bars and restaurants potential COVID-19 hot spots | Fox Business

 

[ReubenSherr]

From The Christian Science Monitor

Spike in virus cases not driven by protests, experts say
​

There is little evidence that the protests that erupted after George Floyd’s death caused a significant increase in United States coronavirus infections, according to public health experts.If the protests had driven an explosion in cases, experts say, the jumps would have started to become apparent within two weeks – and perhaps as early as five days. But that didn’t happen in many cities with the largest protests, including New York, Chicago, Minneapolis, and Washington, D.C.

I have a new idea for a study...

How many politically driven anti-Republican, pro-Democrat studies come out of Massachusetts?

 

[trouble13]

From The Christian Science Monitor

Spike in virus cases not driven by protests, experts say
​

There is little evidence that the protests that erupted after George Floyd’s death caused a significant increase in United States coronavirus infections, according to public health experts.If the protests had driven an explosion in cases, experts say, the jumps would have started to become apparent within two weeks – and perhaps as early as five days. But that didn’t happen in many cities with the largest protests, including New York, Chicago, Minneapolis, and Washington, D.C.

In what’s considered the first systematic look at the question, a team of economists determined that only one of 13 cities involved in the earliest wave of protests after Memorial Day had an increase that would fit the pattern.

It was Phoenix, where experts say cases and hospitalizations surged after a decision by Gov. Doug Ducey to end Arizona’s stay-at-home order on May 15 and eased restrictions on businesses. Arizona residents who were cooped up for six weeks flooded Phoenix-area bar districts, ignoring social distancing guidelines.

In many cities, the protests actually seemed to lead to a net increase in social distancing, as more people who did not protest decided to stay off the streets, said that study’s lead author, Dhaval Dave of Bentley University.

COMMENT:-

Yet another loony, leftist, socialist, liberal, pinko, commie lying so-called "news" site?
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Its more evidence that contradicts that social distancing and wearing masks are key to defeating the virus

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[trouble13]

Except we know it is -- most definitely when they are indoors, not socially distancing, not in a properly ventilated space, not wearing masks....

What makes bars and restaurants potential COVID-19 hot spots | Fox Business

Why are they closing beaches, playgrounds, and parks?

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[PeteEU]

Why are they closing beaches, playgrounds, and parks?

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Toilets on beaches, surfaces in playgrounds and parks.

Also being near someone that is sick does not mean you will get it. But being near someone for 15 minutes plus increases that risk massively.

But the main reason for closing beaches, is people who don't social distance. Here in Spain beaches are open with limited capacity and pre determined spaces where people can set up thier stuff. And we have people constantly cleaning toilets and spaces...

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[MamboDervish]

So, just as I thought, the lockdowns were never necessary.

?? Look at the curve for NY State on 3/26 vs. the curve on 6/26. The people here - millions of them - know that without the lockdown we'd have had lines of very sick people in the streets, unable to find a hospital bed, unable to have any treatment. We know that we flattened the curve with the lockdown. That history won't be rewritten, not even by an army of feeble revisionists.

 

[Lutherf]

That isn't what the paper is saying.

Even if it was the case that the virus does not transmit very effectively outdoors, that would only provide evidence that the virus spreads efficiently INDOORS, which is the target of the vast majority most social distancing.

Plus, in case you missed it... There are definitely spikes in cases. Did you really miss that part?

There was a LOT of indoor activity during the "protests". People were inside Target and liquor stores and cell phone stores and hair extension stores and all kinds of other places. Granted, the subsequent arson may have killed off the virus so, in effect, it may be the best way to stop this thing if we convince a bunch more people to go looting, burning and smashing stuff.

 

[trouble13]

Toilets on beaches, surfaces in playgrounds and parks.

Also being near someone that is sick does not mean you will get it. But being near someone for 15 minutes plus increases that risk massively.

But the main reason for closing beaches, is people who don't social distance. Here in Spain beaches are open with limited capacity and pre determined spaces where people can set up thier stuff. And we have people constantly cleaning toilets and spaces...

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Yet for some miraculous reason the protests are immune to thst infallible logic. Go figure. A more jaded person might think theses opinions were tainted by politics.

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[Visbek]

Why are they closing beaches, playgrounds, and parks?

sigh

Let me be clear, I can only guess as to the mindset of those officials. With that disclaimer:

Parks and playgrounds should still be open. At least, I haven't seen anything suggesting that all of Florida and Texas shut down all parks and playgrounds.

Beaches are different, because they are often a tourist destination. That means when people go to the beach, especially for a big holiday weekend, they aren't necessarily driving 15 minutes, parking their car, going straight to the beach for 2 hours, and leaving. They're engaging in other potentially unsafe activities, including but not limited to:

- Traveling longer distances, which may mean carrying the virus from one region to another
- Staying in hotels, which may mean increased exposure to the virus from other hotel occupants
- Staying in a hotel room or rental space with a larger group that you don't spend much time with (e.g. 5-10 people renting a beach house)
- Going to bars or clubs when not at the beach
- On a big holiday weekend, beaches may wind up so jammed with people (many disinclined to wear masks) that social distancing is not possible

So, if you are the mayor of a small beach town, and you don't want 15,000 out-of-town tourists spending 3 days in your city, not social distancing, not wearing masks, and basically getting your town's residents and each other sick, what do you do? You close the beaches.

This is presumably why, for example, Broward, Miami-Dade and Monroe counties in Florida are already opening their beaches. I assume many beaches will be open again (presumably with social distancing requirements, however loosely enforced) by the end of the week.
Broward Beaches Reopen Monday After Weekend Closures Amid Pandemic – NBC 6 South Florida

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I’m saying this appears to show that even mass gatherings don’t necessarily result in any kind of spike.

I'd say that that was a fair take-away even if you only read as far as "Spike in virus cases not driven by protests, experts say".

 

[Integrityrespec]

From The Christian Science Monitor

Spike in virus cases not driven by protests, experts say
​

There is little evidence that the protests that erupted after George Floyd’s death caused a significant increase in United States coronavirus infections, according to public health experts.If the protests had driven an explosion in cases, experts say, the jumps would have started to become apparent within two weeks – and perhaps as early as five days. But that didn’t happen in many cities with the largest protests, including New York, Chicago, Minneapolis, and Washington, D.C.

In what’s considered the first systematic look at the question, a team of economists determined that only one of 13 cities involved in the earliest wave of protests after Memorial Day had an increase that would fit the pattern.

It was Phoenix, where experts say cases and hospitalizations surged after a decision by Gov. Doug Ducey to end Arizona’s stay-at-home order on May 15 and eased restrictions on businesses. Arizona residents who were cooped up for six weeks flooded Phoenix-area bar districts, ignoring social distancing guidelines.

In many cities, the protests actually seemed to lead to a net increase in social distancing, as more people who did not protest decided to stay off the streets, said that study’s lead author, Dhaval Dave of Bentley University.

COMMENT:-

Yet another loony, leftist, socialist, liberal, pinko, commie lying so-called "news" site?
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! That's hysterical. Then they are telling you that being elbow to elbow, yelling and screaming at the top of their lungs, emitting their germs, and touching each other and all types of surfaces will not effect you. That means the virus is a complete hoax. Let's go back to work, business as usual.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Its more evidence that contradicts that social distancing and wearing masks are key to defeating the virus

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Did you read as far as the

In many cities, the protests actually seemed to lead to a net increase in social distancing, as more people who did not protest decided to stay off the streets, said that study’s lead author, Dhaval Dave of Bentley University.
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bit?