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Specifically - what is No Kings? Specific policies only.

OpportunityCost said:
The facts of what were being found were USAID was a slush fund for progressive initiatives in foreign countries.
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The old conservative playbook--find a few questionable examples out of a massive program that overwhelmingly helps needy people, and act all morally outraged about "the waste."

I guess that's the "Christian" way...
 
AConcernedCitizen said:
That law does not give the President unilateral authority to issue tariffs. Try again.



Not only did he rescind funds that had been duly appropriated by Congress, but he also stole fund from our military for his vainglorious wall, in flagrant defiance of Congresses lawful denial of funds for the wall. A wall which Mexico obviously was never going to pay for.



No, he greatly expanded the amount of funds being wasted.
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You can think that. But, until SCOTUS decides on it, he can.

Do you mean funds like USAID? Because that ship has sailed.

Your opinion.
 
jpn said:
The old conservative playbook--find a few questionable examples out of a massive program that overwhelmingly helps needy people, and act all morally outraged about "the waste."

I guess that's the "Christian" way...
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The Christian way is volunteerism and donations to the church to aid in good works, not pissing away money oversees on political projects that help no one.

Just to add, it's dishonest as hell to delete information that contradicts your argument in a quote.
 
NuffSaid said:
Let’s see.
There’s a video of her standing on a rooftop looking down as protesters gather below. Very dangerous 🙄
There’s another video of her complaining that she was denied having access to a bathroom.
There’s a picture of her on vacation playing dress up or standing outside a detainment center playing dress up.
Her minions are arresting US citizens, throwing reporters to the ground, zip tying kids, shooting protesters, and not once does she ever speak about how this is not acceptable.

Again, what is she actually doing, except getting two new jets to fly around in and having camera time?
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Doubling down on the misogyny with "dress up". Keep putting your foot in your mouth.
 
OpportunityCost said:
The Christian way is volunteerism and donations to the church to aid in good works, not pissing away money oversees on political projects that help no one.
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How convenient. If only we relied on "Christian" charity to fund Medicare, Medicaid, the Affordable Care Act, and Social Security. We'd all be drowning in riches and swimming in doctors.
OpportunityCost said:
Just to add, it's dishonest as hell to delete information that contradicts your argument in a quote.
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Oh, right, deleting your link totally makes it unavailable to everyone. I'm so sinister.

Look, let's be real. You're just sore because you didn't get bags of cash from Antifa like I did.
 
jpn said:
How convenient. If only we relied on "Christian" charity to fund Medicare, Medicaid, the Affordable Care Act, and Social Security. We'd all be drowning in riches and swimming in doctors.

Oh, right, deleting your link totally makes it unavailable to everyone. I'm so sinister.

Look, let's be real. You're just sore because you didn't get bags of cash from Antifa like I did.
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That isnt what we are talking about though, is it. We are talking about programs that did not feed kids overseas. That's why I linked what I did, and you attempted to ignore it. Not sinister, just dishonest.

Oh, so are you admitting to being Antifa? Quit saying stupid shit.
 
OpportunityCost said:
That isnt what we are talking about though, is it. We are talking about programs that did not feed kids overseas. That's why I linked what I did, and you attempted to ignore it. Not sinister, just dishonest.
Oh, so are you admitting to being Antifa? Quit saying stupid shit.
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Your link did not prove that USAID funds did not feed kids overseas.

It's hard to believe that you really think it did. Talk about dishonesty...

As I said, the old conservative playbook--find a few questionable examples out of a massive program that overwhelmingly helps needy people, and act all morally outraged about "the waste."

I guess that's the "Christian" way...
 
iamwhatiseem said:
Let's hear it - what specific policies leads to claims that Trump is like a King?
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Kings don't make policies. They make laws, issue edicts, proclaim actions and control information.

Look at Medieval kings not modern kings who are mostly expensive figure-heads.
Medieval kings lived at the center of a web of loyalty gained through a mix of military victories, political alliances, loyalty, propaganda, strategic marriages and the church's conveyance and confirmation of legitimate power . Birthright helped, but force and cunning often mattered more. Mercy was seen as weakness. Ruthlessness deterred rebellion and removed rivals, making it a common survival tactic. The church’s blessing at coronation signaled that the king was chosen by God.
The king controlled all the information sources: letters of information, the news from town criers, minstrels, plays, poets, and the church. Control of the story meant control of the crown.
Military strength was crucial. Battlefield victories gave the king the support and reputation needed to claim the throne.
Assassinations and “mysterious accidents” were all used to eliminate rivals or unwanted heirs.
Becoming a king often involved luck. Illness, epidemics, unexpected deaths, the spread of unrest or treachery could change the outcome of battles or invasions, giving certain contenders the advantage.
Royal marriages were political tools used to forge alliances, give status, gain territory, or end conflicts between kingdoms.
Administration was characterized by:
Sole Ownership: The king owned all the land and resources.
Central Administration: A royal court served as the nucleus of power and administration. The court consisted of loyal individuals and counseled on matters of governance.
Feudal System: Nobles received land and titles in exchange for loyalty and military service. They were responsible for maintaining law, order and taxation within their territories.
Ecclesiastical Power:Ecclesiastical authorities strengthened a king's rule. Bishops and abbots acted as spiritual leaders and regional administrators, managing the Church’s landholdings and assisting in matters of governance, education, legal affairs, and the enforcement of moral codes.
Military Power: Loyalty, obedience and effectiveness were crucial to maintaining, protecting and expanding the king’s authority over the realm.
Royal Officials: Loyalty was paramount. At the king's direction they managed his finances, records, ceremonial and diplomatic affairs.
Excerpted primarily from Medieval Chronicles https://www.medievalchronicles.com/...ronicles-com-how-medieval-kings-gained-power/

Much of how Trump acts and manages the presidency mirrors the attributes of kingship and the description of the administration of a kingdom. Hence, "No Kings"
 
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iamwhatiseem said:
Let's hear it - what specific policies leads to claims that Trump is like a King?

Go.
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Demanding Colleges and Universities go along with their RW indoctrination.

All the law firms that bent over for Trump. Horrible.

Destroying numerous boats in the ocean without providing any proof of who was in those boats.

Closing down government agencies when the congress is really the only body that can do that.

Withholding Billions of dollars earmarked for blue states and cities.

Demanding and getting BS prosecutions of his enemies from the DoJ.

Willy nilly tossing tariffs around that are nothing but taxes on Americans. Congress has this power; King Trump is taking it.

If one really did some deep investigating, I am sure this list can be 100+ items long. Read Project 2025. It's loaded and being implemented faster than anyone thought.
 
Greenbeard said:
So your presumption is that Trump can unilaterally raise taxes on Americans? That doesn’t really sound like an American president, sounds like something else.
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Tariffs are not taxes on Americans as defined by the constitution. Try again.
 
jpn said:
Your link did not prove that USAID funds did not feed kids overseas.

It's hard to believe that you really think it did. Talk about dishonesty...

As I said, the old conservative playbook--find a few questionable examples out of a massive program that overwhelmingly helps needy people, and act all morally outraged about "the waste."

I guess that's the "Christian" way...
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First, you need to quit trying to make it a religious issue, making veiled digs at me.

It wasn't just a few it was billions. Ill just ask you, when do you pull the plug on something? What amount of waste?
 
iamwhatiseem said:
Because most of them are what other Presidents also have done, they just don't want him to do it.
Others are not policies, I asked for specific policies that is tantamount to a King.
Right now the government is shut down because one of his biggest adversaries - if he was a King, he would behead Schumer and open the government back up.
He has had now over 200 judges trying to stop him from doing any number of things, most have been overturned and dismissed. If he was King, he would behead them and replace them with a lackey.
In fact - if he was King, he would have disbanded the 2 houses and setup his own "senators".
CNN, MSNOW, NY Times etc. etc. are all still in business. If he was King, they wouldn't be.
And really - most of you would be in jail right now if he was King.
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What the heck is wrong with you?

You think Trump should behead Schumer? That's a little extreme, even perhaps for DP.
 
OpportunityCost said:
First, you need to quit trying to make it a religious issue, making veiled digs at me.
It wasn't just a few it was billions. Ill just ask you, when do you pull the plug on something? What amount of waste?
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First, you ignored my comment that your link did not prove that USAID funds did not feed kids overseas.

As for the amount, as I recall, when you listed the supposed "wasteful" programs (based entirely on someone's own characterization of them), they came to so some millions, not billions.
I say we pull the plug on any spending designated for helping people overseas if it can be shown by objective parties to be counterproductive to the mission. Not because some conservative tightwad can't stand helping others. And certainly not on the whole thing because of some reportedly misspent money somewhere.

Oh, and since conservatives never hesitate to invoke the Bible when they feel it's on their side, like with anti-abortion crusades or hating on gays, I feel that invoking it in other political contexts is totally fair.

If it makes you uncomfortable, perhaps you should examine why. Maybe there's hope for you yet.
OpportunityCost said:
Tariffs are not taxes on Americans as defined by the constitution. Try again.
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Since you bring up the Constitution, it explicitly assigns the responsibility for imposing tariffs to Congress.
Trump's "national emergency" rationale is just a way to evade this Constitutional division of duties.
His contempt for our laws is breathtaking.
It's like he thinks he's a king.
 
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jpn said:
First, you ignored my comment that your link did not prove that USAID funds did not feed kids overseas.

As for the amount, as I recall, when you listed the supposed "wasteful" programs (based entirely on someone's own characterization of them), they came to so some millions, not billions.
I say we pull the plug on any spending designated for helping people overseas if it can be shown by objective parties to be counterproductive to the mission. Not because some conservative tightwad can't stand helping others. And certainly not on the whole thing because of some reportedly misspent money somewhere.

Oh, and since conservatives never hesitate to invoke the Bible when they feel it's on their side, like with anti-abortion crusades or hating on gays, I feel that invoking it in other political contexts is totally fair.

If it makes you uncomfortable, perhaps you should examine why. Maybe there's hope for you yet.

Since you bring up the Constitution, it explicitly assigns the responsibility for imposing tariffs to Congress.
Trump's "national emergency" rationale is just a way to evade this Constitutional division of duties.
His contempt for our laws is breathtaking.
It's like he thinks he's a king.
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Feeding kids is cover for the spending to drive progressive political goals and enrich the people who receive the grants.

I don't invoke the bible, ever. Kindly quit putting Christian in quotes like it's a slur aimed at me.

Its the law Congress passed. No contempt is being shown. Compare that with ignoring immigration law by Democrats and it's not even close.
 
americanwoman said:
.................. That's why I wanted some clarification because @iamwhatiseem appears to have started this thread with Henry the VIII or something on his mind.
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I agree. Trump doesn't have a modern figurehead king in mind. The gaudy gold embellishments everywhere, the golden ballroom, the effort to make his birthday into a military celebration, over-riding the power of Congress, his sycophantic cabinet, etc. looks more like something from the time of Henry the VIII than from the time of King Phillippe of Belgium
 
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