Southwest border crossings at lowest level since 1960s (1 Viewer)

[NatMorton]

Achieving that goal is worth making it so no one else want to come here either?​

If not, then Trump's tactics may have a slight flaw (or two)

food for thought

So we should go on ignoring immigration law so the world likes us more?

 

[NatMorton]

I won't lie: Trump has won the border issue.

I wish that weren't the case, but it is the case.

Take heart, he's doing a damn fine job of losing the economic issue.

 

[NatMorton]

You don't get this do you?

No one, from any country wants to come here. Not to live. Not to study. Not to study not for business.
Travelers to the states are being advised to use burner phones and laptops.

The marshmallow heads think Trump had a positive effect on the boarder when in fact he has made our country into a shithole no one wants to come to. For any reason.

Smarten the **** up.

I warned the MAGA crowd, MAGA Media rots the brain.

I "get this' far better than do you. Your Trump hate is clouding your judgement.

 

[stealthycat]

Link?

how to apply for asylum in the USA

 

[noonereal]

I "get this' far better than do you

Oh do you?

You who substitutes blind faith for fact.

Kind of ironic, no?

 

[noonereal]

how to apply for asylum in the USA

Why do you offer no link?

 

[stealthycat]

Why do you offer no link?

I literally just showed you how to get all the links you need

 

[Michael Cole]

yes I agree and no, I disagree

Guzman was welcomed in by Trump.

I think if Trump hadn't been fought tooth and nail, he'd have done mass deportations his first term

remember, Democrats/liberals did everything they could to stop Trump and deportations, they fought HARD (as they are today) to keep millions and millions here legally

just look in 100 days how they've tried to stop deportations https://www.lawfaremedia.org/projec...days/tracking-trump-administration-litigation

and his first term

Multistate lawsuits against the federal government during the Trump administration, 2017-2021

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

but, I've always said what happens on a President's watch is his to own. The El Salvador citizen that killed your neighbors? it was because of a unsecured border. Trump is trying hard to fix that now, where GW, Obama, even Trump 1.0 and of course Biden was horrible .... but that did happen in Trump years.

I mean I don't know what you want from him - if he deports all the illegals then of course no illegals can commit crimes like the one you pointed to. That's great - but how's he going to do it? with all the lawsuits and Democrats fighting him daily ... do you support him being a King and just doing it ?

That's a lot of word salad to rationalize Trump opening the door and letting Guzman, the serial killer, in.

Trump. Guzman. Deal with it.

 

[Cope]

Your argument is that people want to come here and the evidence is . . . ​

they actually are coming here​

they say they want to come here​

....?​

Is this the new version of sour grapes?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

So we should go on ignoring immigration law so the world likes us more?

nice passive aggressive hyperbole you used for your excluded middle logical fallacy

If only there was some way to do things other than the wrong way and the absurd straw man you posted.​

Whatever is America to do?​

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Is this the new version of sour grapes?

idk

 

[stealthycat]

Guzman was welcomed in by Trump.

if you think Trump "welcomed" in Guzman ... what word do you use to characterize what Biden did with millions ?

That's a lot of word salad to rationalize Trump opening the door and letting Guzman, the serial killer, in.
Trump. Guzman. Deal with it.

It did happen under Trump, you're right

So now, you're likely tickled to death Trump is trying to deport every illegal, right ? you fully support it ?

 

[Michael Cole]

if you think Trump "welcomed" in Guzman ... what word do you use to characterize what Biden did with millions ?

Very good. You're catching on. Reverse the roles and ask yourself the same question.

It did happen under Trump, you're right

So now, you're likely tickled to death Trump is trying to deport every illegal, right ? you fully support it ?

I'm pointing out the mindless hypocrisy of claiming Biden welcomed in all the murderers.

No, I'm not happy at all. We need housing. If the contractors are happy, so am I.

 

[noonereal]

I literally just showed you how to get all the links you need

Why are you UNABLE to leave a direct link that is not editorial or right wing craziness that illustrates your point?

"Here look through this pile of shit" is a rather obvious omission of supporting fact by you.

 

[NatMorton]

nice passive aggressive hyperbole you used for your excluded middle logical fallacy

If only there was some way to do things other than the wrong way and the absurd straw man you posted.​

Whatever is America to do?​

It's not a false narrative. Trump's ability to reduce illegal immigration over the past few months proves that we have not been enforcing existing immigration law and policy over the past four years. I no you don't want to hear that, but the results are what they are.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

It's not a false narrative.

It IS a false narrative that the only options are what Trumps doing and giving up per your suggestion here.
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So we should go on ignoring immigration law so the world likes us more?

Trump's ability to reduce illegal immigration over the past few months proves that we have not been enforcing existing immigration law and policy over the past four years. I no you don't want to hear that, but the results are what they are.

Trump's cure is worse than the disease.

America can do better​

 

[NatMorton]

It IS a false narrative that the only options are what Trumps doing and giving up per your suggestion here.
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Trump's cure is worse than the disease.

America can do better​

No, it is not a false narrative. Anyone who supports the concept of "Sanctuary cities," as many on the left do, can be fairly labeled as seeking to ignore immigration law.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

No, it is not a false narrative. Anyone who supports the concept of "Sanctuary cities," as many on the left do, can be fairly labeled as seeking to ignore immigration law.

Just because you can only imagine two options does not mean that there are only two options.

 

[stealthycat]

Very good. You're catching on. Reverse the roles and ask yourself the same question.

I could show you Biden's Day One moves to weaken our southern border and the sheer numbers of illegals that poured in

I'm pointing out the mindless hypocrisy of claiming Biden welcomed in all the murderers.

not "welcomed" but certainly made it a LOT easier

No, I'm not happy at all. We need housing. If the contractors are happy, so am I.

we might as well have no min wages, no borders, no citizenship, nobody has PTO, nobody is protected under labor laws .... might as well allow slavery too as long as those houses get built right? keep that human trafficking network strong and thriving right?

and hey, if a some US citizens are murdered, raped, robberies/assaults ............ meh, its all worth it to keep millions coming here that we have no idea who they are, right ?

 

[stealthycat]

Why are you UNABLE to leave a direct link that is not editorial or right wing craziness that illustrates your point?

"Here look through this pile of shit" is a rather obvious omission of supporting fact by you.

I mean I don't know what to tell you

There is a process for coming to the USA legally. I'm sorry you didn't know that.

Its easy to google - its even easier to open a google link but ok here are some of the many links available to educate yourself on how a non-US citizen can apply for asylum



its just that millions didn't give a crap and come here without following legal process. That's their fault - it was a choice, a decisions. Deport every one of them and I'm fine with it

Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal

Use this form to apply for asylum in the United States and for withholding of removal (formerly called “withholding of deportation”). You may file for asylum if you are physically in the United States and you are not a U.S. citizen.

www.uscis.gov

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/forms/i-589.pdf

Where to Submit Your Form I-589 | Homeland Security

Where to Submit Your Form I-589 - Lockbox filing locations for mailed forms

www.dhs.gov

Filling Out Form I-589 Application for Asylum

Line-by-line instructions on how to fill out Form I-589, Application for Asylum and Withholding of Removal.

www.nolo.com

Form I-589, Explained

A guide to the processing time, cost, and requirements to file Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal.

www.boundless.com

How to Prepare an Affirmative Asylum Application

Details of how asylum-seekers in the U.S. who are not in removal proceedings should prepare their application.

www.nolo.com

Asylum Application and Evidence - Resources for Asylum Seekers

help.asylumadvocacy.org

https://www.lexisnexis.com/practiceareas/immigration/pdfs/web561%20i-589.pdf

 

[Michael Cole]

I could show you Biden's Day One moves to weaken our southern border and the sheer numbers of illegals that poured in

I just showed you a serial killer that Trump let in. You've failed at reversing the roles.

not "welcomed" but certainly made it a LOT easier



we might as well have no min wages, no borders, no citizenship, nobody has PTO, nobody is protected under labor laws .... might as well allow slavery too as long as those houses get built right? keep that human trafficking network strong and thriving right?

and hey, if a some US citizens are murdered, raped, robberies/assaults ............ meh, its all worth it to keep millions coming here that we have no idea who they are, right ?

I blame Trump. Guzman. Serial killer.

Immigration has been ongoing for decades. If you want me to blame Biden, first you'll need to blame Trump.

 

[stealthycat]

I just showed you a serial killer that Trump let in. You've failed at reversing the roles.

Trump tried a border wall, he tried stopping illegals and Democrats fought him every day

That guy did get in - but it wasn't anything like Biden did. And you know it

I blame Trump. Guzman. Serial killer.
Immigration has been ongoing for decades. If you want me to blame Biden, first you'll need to blame Trump.

ILLEGAL

operative word you left out


Absolutely put blame - if Trump was relaxing border laws and changing everything that allowed millions to be human trafficked to US southern border and costing US citizens ? YES place the blame

like I do with Biden


RIGHT NOW >.... Trump is trying to shut the border completely and right the wrong of allowing illegally here people being here - are you for it or against it ?

 

[Michael Cole]

Trump tried a border wall, he tried stopping illegals and Democrats fought him every day

That guy did get in - but it wasn't anything like Biden did. And you know it



ILLEGAL

operative word you left out


Absolutely put blame - if Trump was relaxing border laws and changing everything that allowed millions to be human trafficked to US southern border and costing US citizens ? YES place the blame

like I do with Biden


RIGHT NOW >.... Trump is trying to shut the border completely and right the wrong of allowing illegally here people being here - are you for it or against it ?

You're missing the point. If you don't want me to blame Guzman on Trump, stop blaming Joe Biden. Real easy.

 

[stealthycat]

You're missing the point. If you don't want me to blame Guzman on Trump, stop blaming Joe Biden. Real easy.

do you think blame and responsibility has nothing to do with an administrations policies/actions ?

was GW to blame for 9-11?
was Obama to blame for the 2009 housing crash?

I'd argue no - all the flight training was done under previous POTUS, the housing crisis built for years before Obama

was Biden to blame for the 10-12 million coming here illegally? well, what did he do day one to lessen border restrictions and allow millions to come in ? if he DID those things then yes, I'd say he really is to blame

did Trump weaken border when he got in day one first term ?


compare the two and how they did things ... now, compare how Trump 2.0 is going ...

 

[Michael Cole]

do you think blame and responsibility has nothing to do with an administrations policies/actions ?

was GW to blame for 9-11?
was Obama to blame for the 2009 housing crash?

I'd argue no - all the flight training was done under previous POTUS, the housing crisis built for years before Obama

was Biden to blame for the 10-12 million coming here illegally? well, what did he do day one to lessen border restrictions and allow millions to come in ? if he DID those things then yes, I'd say he really is to blame

did Trump weaken border when he got in day one first term ?


compare the two and how they did things ... now, compare how Trump 2.0 is going ...

Again, you're missing the point. No, the president isn't to blame for crimes committed by illegal immigrants. That's why I haven't blamed any of them. That's on you. My response is to show exactly what you've written here.

Stop blaming Biden for crime.