South Korea pitches Canada on $20B-plus plan for subs, armoured vehicles (1 Viewer)

[Callen]

Korea wants to take America's place as Canada's armorer. Competition is good for the buyer and the very existence of this offer will discourage America from trying to use weapons sales as leverage for their 51st state bullshit.

My two cents worth of opinion would be to put S. Korea on a short list but not at the top. Buying weaponry from Europe or Scandinavia would add one layer more of insulation from American influence or pressure upon the vendors.

I have memories of the American gov't of the day, pressuring other nations that might have shown any interest in the Avro Arrow. Instead they took whatever intel they needed viv-a-vis "fly by wire" and delta wing profile enabling "buffet free" mach flight and sold Dief a bill of goods on the Bomarc missile system that were never installed.

I'd prefer doing business with nations having less fealty and les susceptibility to the U.S.

How do you think Carney will play this tomorrow, or will he?

 

[Allan]

How do you think Carney will play this tomorrow, or will he?

He won't touch it. Carney is going to be charming so as to be disarming.

Then the negotiators will meet to hash things out and we'll end up with a carbon copy of USMCA which was a carbon copy of NAFTA.

 

[Brusan]

How do you think Carney will play this tomorrow, or will he?

Carney seems to be the guy that simply does not engage in to-and-fro rhetoric. I think he'll refrain from stipulating points patterned to prick wee Donny where it hurts but will respond with facts to whatever points Trump chooses to repeat that are obvious lies. Size of deficit, application of usurious dairy tariffs rather than simple access to a supply side market. Carney knows the U.S. dairy farmers are hugely subsidized. He also knows that U.S. dairy imports have never risen to the "dumping" level to trigger those higher tariff rates.

Military expenditures should b a easy one to handle with Trump with the huge reveal of a "kill switch" and sole software update control being confined in the hands of a country threatening to annex us.

 

[Irredentist]

You’re dancing around the question. Where is Canada’s Boeing or Saab? Why doesn’t that exist instead of throwing hundreds of billions of dollars in contracts at foreign entities?

Who exactly do you think is interested in starting a Canadian based arms manufacturing business?

 

[Napoleon]

Who exactly do you think is interested in starting a Canadian based arms manufacturing business?

I would imagine a Canadian.

 

[Irredentist]

I would imagine a Canadian.

Then why haven't they done it yet?

 

[Callen]

He won't touch it. Carney is going to be charming so as to be disarming.

You don't think so? He said he was going to discuss national security and defense. `I agree he will do it in a very calm and informed way but I think he may bring it up as evidence he is committed to additional military spending while at the same time making it not so subtly known we are looking elsewhere for military equipment.

Then the negotiators will meet to hash things out and we'll end up with a carbon copy of USMCA which was a carbon copy of NAFTA.

I am hopeful Carney will do better than that. The USMCA deal has proved worthless , as worthless as Trump's word.

 

[gbg3]

The fact that Canada is entirely dependent on anyone for planes and ships is a national security issue in and of itself. You guys should think about making your own stuff.

For sure.

Canada needs to build and improve its own domestic arms industries rather than buy kit from abroad. Foreign producers can help us along the way but we should not let them do this for us.

Yup - that would be the best approach.

 

[gbg3]

He won't touch it.

I would guess you're right.

As an aside but about Canada, this popped up in my newsfeed today. Carney clearly has a LOT to work on.

MSN

 

[Callen]

As an aside but about Canada, this popped up in my newsfeed today. Carney clearly has a LOT to work on.

Which is exactly why Canadians chose him. The right man at the right time. Poilievre, in no way has what it takes to face these economic issues.

 

[Allan]

I would guess you're right.

As an aside but about Canada, this popped up in my newsfeed today. Carney clearly has a LOT to work on.

MSN

Carney is the man to do it. If anyone knows what works he does.

I'd like to see Canada become an economic powerhouse like Ireland. If they can do it so can we.

They're currently enjoying 13.3% YoY GDP growth and the second highest GDP per capita in the world.

Carney had Irish citizenship until recently. He will be well aware of their formula for success.

 

[gbg3]

Then why haven't they done it yet?

Because the Canadian government wouldn't even be a worthwhile customer. They would have meeting after meeting after meeting (Canadian style) and the defense company would go under while waiting for lucrative contracts with the Canadian government. Canada is desperately lacking with defense and is already stressing its economy just by supporting all its social programs.

 

[Allan]

Because the Canadian government wouldn't even be a worthwhile customer. They would have meeting after meeting after meeting (Canadian style) and the defense company would go under while waiting for lucrative contracts with the Canadian government. Canada is desperately lacking with defense and is already stressing its economy just by supporting all its social programs.

Our social programs, as good as they are, don't approach what many European countries have.

They can afford their programs and fund their defence strategy.

The fact America can't do both is incompetence, not a lack of resources.

 

[Allan]

You don't think so? He said he was going to discuss national security and defense. `I agree he will do it in a very calm and informed way but I think he may bring it up as evidence he is committed to additional military spending while at the same time making it not so subtly known we are looking elsewhere for military equipment.

That would be provocation and the Mad King doesn't react well to provocation.

Thin skinned you know.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The Us defence industry is one of the industries that has become most exposed by Trumps actions. Europe no longer feels that it can trust the US so it is expanding it's own defence industry, and while they may not be publicly talking about it, you can bet many other countries are considering how they find more reliable and stable defence partners to source equipment from.

In addition to the procurement side and countries not trusting American Defense Industries...

Now add it the impact of tariffs on raw materials and components that the US buys to build those products and the cost of American arms on the world market.

WW

 

[Callen]

That would be provocation and the Mad King doesn't react well to provocation.

Thin skinned you know.

There is no way on earth that Trump won't know of this and will bring it up. Carney will handle it masterfully, of that I am certain, but I wonder what Trump's reaction will be to nations now dealing with each other at the expense of American businesses. Trump pushed nations to do this , if US businesses lose international business it his entirely his fault.

 

[Allan]

In addition to the procurement side and countries not trusting American Defense Industries...

Now add it the impact of tariffs on raw materials and components that the US buys to build those products and the cost of American arms on the world market.

WW

Good point on the tariffs. Steel and aluminum are now costing the US defence industry an extra 25%.

Countries like Korea are cheering that on.

 

[Callen]

Now add it the impact of tariffs on raw materials and components that the US buys to build those products and the cost of American arms on the world market.

Like Canadian aluminum...oh the irony!

 

[Allan]

but I wonder what Trump's reaction will be to nations now dealing with each other at the expense of American businesses

His expected reaction - immaturity. He'll make America's self-own worse.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Good point ...

I know.

..... ..... I humbly propose...

..... ..... ..... ..... That I make a lot of them.

WW

 

[Grand Mal]

He won't touch it. Carney is going to be charming so as to be disarming.

Then the negotiators will meet to hash things out and we'll end up with a carbon copy of USMCA which was a carbon copy of NAFTA.

Seems pointless to enter into any agreements with the USA. They don't honour agreements. A deal with America isn't worth a pinch of coon shit.
I say forget trade agreements with the US, leave it up to companies and corporations to work it out however they can, and pursue formal agreements with the rest of the world.

 

[Callen]

Because the Canadian government wouldn't even be a worthwhile customer. They would have meeting after meeting after meeting (Canadian style) and the defense company would go under while waiting for lucrative contracts with the Canadian government. Canada is desperately lacking with defense and is already stressing its economy just by supporting all its social programs.

Odd then why Boeing accepted our order for 16 F32's, an order we are considering canceling in favour of Saab. Also odd then why SK would send a three company delegation to pitch us on a $20 Billion dollar deal if we aren't a worthwhile customer. Where on earth do you get your information?

 

[OlNate]

Odd then why Boeing accepted our order for 16 F32's, an order we are considering canceling in favour of Saab. Also odd then why SK would send a three company delegation to pitch is on a $20 Billion dollar deal if we aren't a worthwhile customer. Where on earth do you get your information?

The poster you are talking to is obsessed with bashing Canada, intelligent reasons are not required.

 

[Callen]

The poster you are talking to is obsessed with bashing Canada, intelligent reasons are not required.

Nor apparently are facts. The obsession isn't so much with Canada as it is with Canadian posters.

 

[OlNate]

Nor apparently are facts.

Ah well, as the song says, if it makes her happy it can't be that bad...

At this point I'm thinking of encouraging ignorance among the haters, it works to our benefit.