Navy Pride
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Korimyr the Rat said:Good. As much as legal abortion is good policy, Roe v. Wade is bad law.
This is an issue that needs to be decided by the people, through the Legislature.
Korimyr the Rat said:I don't care if it's settled at the State or the Federal level, honestly. Abortions in America are the business of Americans.
I just think it needs to be settled democratically, so that whoever loses this argument can't claim that it's all the fault of "activist judges".
Simon W. Moon said:
aps said:Yeah, this was on the cover of today's Washington Post. They passed this legislation for the sole purpose of it hopefully getting to the Supreme Court so that Roe v. Wade can be overturned. I hope they lose this battle, which I think they will.
Deegan said:I agree with the majority, as much as I don't agree with Roe V Wade, it is settled law, and I think you are going to see a lot of foolish Senators when this is decided that precedent wins the day.
Deegan said:I agree with the majority, as much as I don't agree with Roe V Wade, it is settled law, and I think you are going to see a lot of foolish Senators when this is decided that precedent wins the day.
Deegan said:I just don't agree with ignoring a precedent, even if I were to be happy, or agree with striking down RoeVWade. It's quite obvious to me that the majority of Americans agree with abortion, and that only half of us really have to make that choice, the women. I can't begin to know what that decision must be like, or how it effects you the rest of your life, but it's not mine to make, nor suffer through. I really think the Tenth Amendment has changed as the country has, and that the more I consider this, the more I think we should leave it as it is.
I heard Justice Alito speak the other day, he was asked if he was a strict constructionist, he replied, "Of course not, I never claimed to be, you must change with the times. What I am is a realist, I believe in making rational decisions, based on the world we live in today." This is not word for word, but it spoke to me, and I think gave me some new insight in to the man, and how he decides cases.
Navy Pride said:Pro abortion people will challenge the bill and it should go to the SCOTUS for a decision.........It probably won't get there for a year.........Hopefully Stevens who is 85 and in ill health will retire and President Bush can get another good Cinservative on the Court and we can get rid of Roe V Wade before I kick the bucket.........I would die happy if that would happen.........
aps said:Deegan, you are an incredibly thoughtful person, and I mean that in the sense that you have clearly thought this out and what kind of impact this issue has on you versus women. I commend you! :clap:
If that is true, that makes me very happy. The founding fathers could not have foreseen the changes our country would go through and the Constitution was written in a way to allow for this. Justice Breyer has a book out and it's about that very issue called Active Liberty. I have it in my house--I just need to read the damn thing! But it speaks about how the Constitution must change to some extent to fit the times.
Deegan said:Why thank you Aps, but I really have to give the credit to wife, and this forum, both have taught me to be more considerate, and openminded.
aps said:Is your wife a conservative as well? I loved the family photo of the three of you. It is the most handsome picture I have seen of you.
Deegan said:I agree with the majority, as much as I don't agree with Roe V Wade, it is settled law, and I think you are going to see a lot of foolish Senators when this is decided that precedent wins the day.
Korimyr the Rat said:Good. As much as legal abortion is good policy, Roe v. Wade is bad law.
This is an issue that needs to be decided by the people, through the Legislature.
Korimyr the Rat said:I don't care if it's settled at the State or the Federal level, honestly. Abortions in America are the business of Americans.
I just think it needs to be settled democratically, so that whoever loses this argument can't claim that it's all the fault of "activist judges".
tryreading said:Are you becoming sensible? Sure looks like it. Seriously though, I don't like abortion either, but believe women should have their rights remain as they are.
Also, I understand what some of you here are saying about Amendment X, but does that supercede the 'Supremacy Clause?'
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Supremacy Clause, part of Article VI
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.txt
Deegan said:I agree with the majority, as much as I don't agree with Roe V Wade, it is settled law, and I think you are going to see a lot of foolish Senators when this is decided that precedent wins the day.
aquapub said:At one point, slavery was settled law. It is never too late to start consistently upholding murder laws.
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