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Probably because je was quartered in the barracks and females weren't allowed in male barracks.
Have you never been in a military living situation where everyone is armed? Jesus Christ, in Afghanistan every soldier had a firearm, by order of General Allen, and yet when **** happened no one ever just started shooting wildly like you describe. No, cops/sentries do not just start shooting whoever has a gun. That's just a retarded thing to say.
We are all armed while deployed, there's no reason to disarm when we comes back.
Edit:
I realized you just said you never actually carried a firearm while in the service. Well sir, I have, quite often, and I was constantly surrounded by several other soldiers who were similarly armed. When **** happened, our training kicked in...we called out Description, Direction, Distance and followed 'react to contact' and 'gunnery' protocol. We all worked as one, not as individuals. My military experience is saturated with firearms carried by just about everyone, everywhere we went. I am thus acclimated to and very comfortable with walking among a well armed population.
I saw both my husband's (before we married) and my brother's barracks rooms.
So? Your experience defines the Army as a whole?
Never said that. I was asking why someone's wife would not be allowed on base and you talked about barracks rooms, where many actually do allow women (at least during certain times) access. But since barracks rooms are mainly for single servicemembers, not married ones, then it is not generally an issue to begin with. Some military barracks do allow opposite sex members in rooms. Heck, a few bases have gone to apartment-like onbase barracks for members so they can have whoever they want in their rooms, whenever they want (so long as they are not causing problems of course). Sure there are still some bases where barracks are "opposite sex not allowed", but those are becoming more rare outside of training commands. The military is starting to realize that they aren't going to completely prevent their soldiers, sailors, Marines, or airmen from interacting with the opposite sex, so they are trying instead to simply limit it. Your own experience is also not what defines the rules for the Army as a whole. It mainly depends on the command.
But none of that had much to do with why a person's wife would not be allowed on base. Most bases allow wives on bases at any time because they have an ID card. Jerry explained it (at least a little, since I've never heard of such a precaution, since we, sailors, have family come with us up to the pier gate when we leave). And a married soldier would not normally be quartered in the barracks either. I'm assuming that some bases assign barracks rooms temporarily for pre-deployment, however that would not be common and certainly would not be for very long. (The Navy wouldn't have enough rooms to do that for us on most bases, we are already struggling with barracks space, one reason they made the onbase apartments in San Diego.)
When I was in the Army, male billets were off limits to females.
And as I said, things are changing. They aren't all off limits now. Some still are, but not all of them. Visitors aren't generally allowed to stay overnight (but then again, most don't allow for any overnight guests of either gender), but many do allow for visitors during the day at least.
Plus, again, the original assertion was made about a married member and his wife being sneaked onbase, not into a barracks room. In most cases, on bases here in the US, there would have been no need to sneak her onbase. And in most cases, that married person would not have been in the barracks but rather in housing out in town or possibly onbase (although most military housing has moved offbase for most places) but where she would also be.
I doubt youll find and enlisted barracks, in the Army, that aren't off limits to opposite sex soldiers.
I was allowed to go into my brother's barracks on Fort Hood when I visited him. I had a hotel room for the night offbase, but I still could go into his barracks room when I was onbase. And that was over 10 years ago.
When I was at Ft. Hood, females weren't allowed in male enlisted billets. Your brother probably violated unit policy and you just didnt realize it.
There is ni need to overeact to the very very VERY occasional instances of armed attacks on military installations. No need for 'special' rules. I'd say this can be solved by allowing Soldiers to exercise their Constitutional right to carry a concealed firearm legally. Military installations arent different from civilian installations. Those intent on violating the law will. Law abiding citizens are and will be law abiding citizens.Ok: allow NCO's and certain officers to carry sidearms.
Unlike the civilian world, really this is about a soldier doing their basic job, General Order #1. Gun-free-zones are prejudicial to the maintenance of good order and conduct.
No. I looked it up. There are several Army bases that allow females to be in male enlisted barracks during the day and vice versa. (As I've said, they can't stay overnight.)
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=A0LEVva.N1VT7kwAj2sPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMG04Z2o2BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--?qid=20100606003607AAmepgU
It is generally up to the commander of the base at the time as to whether it is allowed or not. This is just like the policy of the Navy. It is up to the base CO for us. And there are plenty of soldiers who confirm this. The only commands I know of that have a strict no opposite sex visitors policy that doesn't depend on the CO is training commands. It is considered a quality of life improvement because it is unrealistic to expect service members to not have friends or family members of the opposite sex and for them to not want to spend time with their loved ones even on base, including seeing where they live. But there is also the fact that why should a servicemember be kept from having a person of the opposite sex in their room to play games or watch movies with, even during the middle of the day? Sure, they could be having sex, but it is less likely to happen with a roommate and they are adults if they don't have a roommate.
But I was there even while they were mustering, right in front of his chain of command and they didn't say anything about me being there. They all knew I was there and who I was visiting. And I know I signed in to be in my husband's room at K Bay in Hawaii.
There is ni need to overeact to the very very VERY occasional instances of armed attacks on military installations. No need for 'special' rules. I'd say this can be solved by allowing Soldiers to exercise their Constitutional right to carry a concealed firearm legally. Military installations arent different from civilian installations. Those intent on violating the law will. Law abiding citizens are and will be law abiding citizens.
Yahoo.answers isn't a source.
It proves that there are others who are saying that "yes, opposite sex people are allowed to visit Army barracks rooms". You have yet to provide anything except your personal experience, which I have easily accounted for as either outdated or simply policy of that commander of the base at the time you were there. Commanders change every so many years, and many policies change with them.
And, we don't have a clue who, or what these people are.
Look, there are reasons that females aren't allowed in male quarters: one, is safety, for both the male and the female. If there are no females in the male only areas, their won't be any inappropriate conduct around said female, she can't get raped and no male soldier can be accused of sexual harassment, rape, or attempted rape. Second, is security; no one really knows who this non-resident female is. She might lift someone's personal affects. In that regard, that's why no civilians are typically allowed in any living quarters, not even soldiers from other units for the most part. That's just basic barracks security.
Just because your brother's chain of command was to weak and unprofessional to keep strangers out of their soldiers's living quarters doesn't mean that it's the norm; far from it in fact. Had your brother been in my unit, your butt would have been hanging out in the day-room and if you, or your brother had a problem with that, you could carry your self off post and he would be counciled as to what unit policy is, means and how it's to executed.
Except many places do allow them in the rooms. You are basing your answers off of your personal experience, and, as I've said, it is outdated.
The incidents you describe can happen anywhere or with anyone. A woman or a man can claim someone came onto them falsely or someone can try to sexually assault someone else. If it were security, as you described, then male visitors wouldn't be allowed either. But it isn't true. I can bring up the rules for several Army bases and their barracks if you wish.
Hey look I found the Fort Hood policy on it.
http://www.hood.army.mil/dpw/Housing/Files/CSM-02.pdf
Would you like other bases?
As soldiers are assigned to their barracks room area, the chain of command has an inherent responsibility to ensure proper living standards and conditions are maintained. As such, leaders must be involved to the degree necessary. There are no arbitrary limits to this involvement...
From your source:
Which means local commands can set whatever barracks regulations and restrictions they want. 99% of the time, battalion commanders will make billets off limits to personel of the opposite gender for safety and security reasons; which will most likely be the case.
I have said this whole time that it is based on the commanders' policy, which they set. Even Fort Hood's current policy is that opposite sex visitors are allowed.
And from my source:
g. Visitation and Quiet time: With limited restrictions, Soldiers residing in the barracks may have visitors of either gender.
You want to prove that "99%" thing, feel free. I've proven that it is not true for Fort Hood. That shows that there is at least one Army base (and that happens to be the one we were discussing the most here) allows opposite sex visitors in barracks rooms. Now you need to show that the vast majority of the other Army bases (excluding training commands) restrict them.
A brigade, battalion, or company commander can always upgrade the division commanders orders. Restricting visitation to the barracks, which your source clearly gives latitude to do, would be upgrading the division commander's policy. You're supposed to be in the military; you know that orders, policies and standards can be upgraded, but never downgraded.
As a member of the service, you should realize the liability that a commander would be opening himself up to, if he allowed females to come and go in t barracks. What if a troop comes out of the shower, dick swingin' and the female visitor sees him? What if she starts screaming sexual harassment, or attempted rape?
What I realize is that you are trying to avoid the point made, that yes, many barracks allow visitors of the opposite sex, even in the Army.
I've been in. I know what's its like. And these barracks are like two person dorm rooms now (in fact, that is the complete goal of every branch when it comes to berthing for service members, and what I have seen, it is why geobachelors have become basically non-existent, so that barracks rooms only have 1 or 2 people per room). And the policy is that roommates get a say in visitors. So there wouldn't really be an issue of someone dick swingin' in front of a female visitor because he would know she was there to begin with. And if not, and the roommate brought the girl in and his roommate was in the shower or just the head, and she tried to make a claim of rape or sexual harassment with him right there it wouldn't go so well unless the guy bringing the girl in was a complete douche to his roommate to begin with. And it can happen no matter where the person is or what gender. You are trying to find reasons why they don't, and although those have been used in the past for such reasoning, it is not the general policy now for most places because they realize that a policy of not allowing visitors of the opposite sex isn't likely to deter such things from happening in any significant way.
I was allowed to change into and out of uniform in the same area as the guys I worked with while in the Navy. It wasn't an issue.
28. Visitors. Overnight guests are not authorized at any time.
Visitors under the age of 18 are not permitted in individual
rooms or the barracks area unless they are: (1) visiting a
family member, or (2) accompanied by an adult member of their
own family. Visitors are not permitted in individual rooms
unless in the company of the resident assigned to the room.
Guests will not infringe on the privacy of the resident’s
roommate(s). Residents are responsible for the conduct of their
visitors to include liability for any damages incurred.
Visitation privileges can be revoked if they are abused.
http://www.nec.belvoir.army.mil/pubs/Belvoir/Reg/210-13.pdf
Barracks policy at Fort Belvoir; note the bolded section:
Chances are, visitation privileges have been revoked for years There's NO order or policy that requires visitation by members of the opposite sex to be allowed and in most barracks, it's not allowed.
You can't allow people to come into the barracks, willy-nilly for security and safety reasons and doing so isn't the norm.
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