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Soldiers behind Trump during speech were screened for loyalty & appearance

Not in 2007-2012 when I was there. 1st AD only moved to Bliss in 2011. And the 11th ADA Brigade is still there and occupies most of mainside. The 1st AD occupies a new part of the base on part of Biggs Army Airfield.
It's not 2012 anymore.
 
Not only this, they were selling MAGA merch. Oops?




They got caught is what this is saying. No way a vendor just wanders onto a military base.

Yeah, these vendors just snuck into Ft. Bragg!

 
Veterans benefits slashed. Veterans Affairs employees fired. Trump, his father and grandfather never served while Trump spends 45-70 million dollars not including the cost of repairs to the streets after tons of armored vehicles destroy them. Now his parade is NOT to honor our military rather to honor Trump on his birthday and show Americans we are now like North Korea and Russia displaying our ability to kill by the millions.
 
Say the oponent is unexperienced and clueless and win without a discussion

No, it is known as making an argument based on experience or knowledge. And yours is based on not discussing the issue at all but in attacking the individual.
 
Are you saying military.com published untruths and fiction?


Military.Com does that all the damned time!

What, do you really think that Military.Com is really taken seriously by the military? It has a long history of fabricating and sensationalizing stories, and simply because "military" is in it some think it is reputable. I am pretty sure I brought this up not all that long ago when I posted in her claims they made about the military "stealing" money from the enlisted personnel from the money they got paid for meals. Of course, completely neglecting the fact that most members of the military who are not married do not get paid for meals in the first place but are issued meal cards so eat for free.

Or a couple of years ago, where they made some bullshit claim that "42% of service members of color in a new survey turned down an assignment or permanent change of station order because of concerns about racism".

And I can honestly say in my multiple decades in the military, I have never seen somebody refuse PCS orders other than over the issue of accompanied-unaccompanied. Let alone refuse them for such reasons as that. Yea, I actually do know one gal that refused PCS order and remained at her current unit. But she was also newly married, and it was 12 months unaccompanied to South Korea. Not a damned thing about racism, and short of deployments to combat zones unaccompanied PCS by people who are married are often turned down.

If you want, I can probably list a ton of articles from Military.Com that are pure bullshit. Not sure why you think it is so authoritative just because some civilian website put "Military" in their URL. I mean, you know it's run by Monster, right? Yes, part of a series of acquisitions about twenty years ago by a company mostly known for running an employment site.
 
Veterans benefits slashed.

And what benefits were slashed?

And I have been saying for many decades that the VA needs to be completely torn apart and rebuilt from the ground up.

Here is a fact you are likely not aware of. The VA had added more than 61,000 new jobs since 2020. Yet, care and access has not improved a damned bit in the last 5 years. For me it is still a minimum of a 3 month wait to see my primary provider. That is if it is not 6 months or more, as half the time it gets rescheduled for another 3 months the week before I am supposed to see them. That is the freaking standard of care for the most part in the VA, and if adding 61,000 new employees over 5 years has made no improvements, then they really should get rid of them and actually look at doing effective solutions instead of attempting to blindly throwing money at a problem.
 
No nobody's ever saying whatever you typed after this what you're doing is making a straw man.

What I'm saying is the news media are habitual liars. I cannot trust them as a source.

They can be good, they can be bad. But one must look at them carefully and not simply believe anything they say just because they agree with your beliefs.

And to be honest, I have long felt Military.Com was a piss-poor source. It is incredibly biased, and often writes articles with the intent to enrage the readers without actually giving them actual information or unbiased reporting.

Here is just one example, and while reading it I realized several things.

Since immigration agents detained his wife in New Orleans last month, a U.S. Marine Corps veteran has ferried the couple's 9-week-old daughter to a north Louisiana detention facility so she can nurse and visit her mother while the family waits to learn if she will be deported.

...

Clouatre, 25, entered the United States from Mexico with her mother when she was 14, said Carey Holliday, an attorney and former immigration judge who represents the family. Holliday said Clouatre's mother had applied for asylum upon her arrival with her daughter from Mexico. But she failed to arrive for a 2018 trial on the asylum claim, prompting a judge to issue a deportation order for Clouatre as well as her mother.

Clouatre and her husband, Adrian Clouatre, learned of the deportation order a few days before she was summoned to the USCIS appointment in New Orleans on May 27, Holliday said.

Now this story on the surface seems amazingly like my own, if my wife and I were incredibly irresponsible.

When we got engaged in 1985, my wife was an immigrant as her parents and sister also came to the US several years earlier. But it was only after we got engaged that she went to her father and demanded her passport, social security card, and everything else relating to her being in the US. And at that time learned she had been only been in the country on a 6 month visitor visa, and had been illegal for over five years. We still got married, but it was rather fun as I was like this guy a Marine, and Admin had to look through a bunch of regulations. But we still walked out of admin with her dependent ID card in hand and her registered in DEERS. As there was nothing in the regulations that prohibited issuing an ID card to somebody who was an illegal alien.

However, this is where the story diverges a hell of a lot. Within 2 weeks we went to a legal aid clinic to find out what to do next. Then we were referred to an immigration lawyer who helped us start the process of her becoming legal. It cost us around $6,000 (close to $18,000 today after inflation), but less than a year later we were at the INS office taking the final step to making her legal. Which was interesting, as of course one of the questions was if the marriage was a real marriage or one just so she could get her residency. And she was about 5 months pregnant at the time.

And in reading this, several things jumped out at me. For one, was she completely unaware of her status? I know my wife was, as even her social security card was a forgery. But she knew she had to have that and a green card, and her father did not have the latter. And in looking at her passport for the first time in years saw the last stamp in it was her entry on a visitor visa, nothing stating her visa had been extended. They likely had well over a year to have started the process to legalize her, but apparently did nothing until the INS came looking for her.

And one thing I learned having to go through the process myself. When somebody goes to the INS, they will bend over backwards to help somebody become legal. And there are a lot of programs to assist somebody in doing that. But in cases like this where they have to go looking for you, then it's really too late. And I really do want to feel sympathy for them, but this is a situation they themselves could have avoided by being more proactive.

Not unlike the cases of veterans that were deported. I have seen dozens of them like that, deported after a felony conviction. And in those cases, I just shake my head as all they had to do was take advantage of the multiple programs while they were in to become a citizen, or simply not break the law once they got out.
 
They can be good, they can be bad. But one must look at them carefully and not simply believe anything they say just because they agree with your beliefs.
When it comes to Donald Trump and interaction with the military they are always liars.
And to be honest, I have long felt Military.Com was a piss-poor source. It is incredibly biased, and often writes articles with the intent to enrage the readers without actually giving them actual information or unbiased reporting.
I don't know enough about the source to say either way.
Here is just one example, and while reading it I realized several things.



Now this story on the surface seems amazingly like my own, if my wife and I were incredibly irresponsible.

When we got engaged in 1985, my wife was an immigrant as her parents and sister also came to the US several years earlier. But it was only after we got engaged that she went to her father and demanded her passport, social security card, and everything else relating to her being in the US. And at that time learned she had been only been in the country on a 6 month visitor visa, and had been illegal for over five years. We still got married, but it was rather fun as I was like this guy a Marine, and Admin had to look through a bunch of regulations. But we still walked out of admin with her dependent ID card in hand and her registered in DEERS. As there was nothing in the regulations that prohibited issuing an ID card to somebody who was an illegal alien.
However, this is where the story diverges a hell of a lot. Within 2 weeks we went to a legal aid clinic to find out what to do next. Then we were referred to an immigration lawyer who helped us start the process of her becoming legal. It cost us around $6,000 (close to $18,000 today after inflation), but less than a year later we were at the INS office taking the final step to making her legal. Which was interesting, as of course one of the questions was if the marriage was a real marriage or one just so she could get her residency. And she was about 5 months pregnant at the time.

And in reading this, several things jumped out at me. For one, was she completely unaware of her status? I know my wife was, as even her social security card was a forgery. But she knew she had to have that and a green card, and her father did not have the latter. And in looking at her passport for the first time in years saw the last stamp in it was her entry on a visitor visa, nothing stating her visa had been extended. They likely had well over a year to have started the process to legalize her, but apparently did nothing until the INS came looking for her.

And one thing I learned having to go through the process myself. When somebody goes to the INS, they will bend over backwards to help somebody become legal. And there are a lot of programs to assist somebody in doing that. But in cases like this where they have to go looking for you, then it's really too late. And I really do want to feel sympathy for them, but this is a situation they themselves could have avoided by being more proactive.

Not unlike the cases of veterans that were deported. I have seen dozens of them like that, deported after a felony conviction. And in those cases, I just shake my head as all they had to do was take advantage of the multiple programs while they were in to become a citizen, or simply not break the law once they got out.
Yeah I doubt it's impossible for someone to become legal immigrant or citizen in their country they just have to be persistent. And I'm glad to hear this about INS. It seems to go along with my viewpoint if you want to be an American citizen I want you to be an American citizen. What did you have to go about it legally.

Thanks for sharing your story.
 
No nobody's ever saying whatever you typed after this what you're doing is making a straw man.

What I'm saying is the news media are habitual liars. I cannot trust them as a source.

Military.com basically quotes the memo. And the audience behind him conformed to the stated requirements.
 
Military.com basically quotes the memo. And the audience behind him conformed to the stated requirements.
A biased source made sure that it wasn't biased with its own metric.

This is kind of like the police investigated themselves and found that they had done nothing wrong.
 
When it comes to Donald Trump and interaction with the military they are always liars.

Here is the funny thing, I am about as "politically neutral" as you can get. And I find that kind of mindset as poisonous as anybody that would make the same kinds of claims about say President Biden when he was in office.

Any time I saw somebody screaming against either President Trump or President Biden, I reflexively reject anything they say because they are 99% of the time simply biased political hacks. And I see BDS and TDS as exactly the same thing.

This is yet another example of where I am largely just sipping my tea, and watching the political hacks screaming at each other about what I see is mostly coprolite.
 
A biased source made sure that it wasn't biased with its own metric.

This is kind of like the police investigated themselves and found that they had done nothing wrong.el

This makes no sense, but what else is new?

All you have to do is look at the people behind hin to see its true.
 
Military.com basically quotes the memo. And the audience behind him conformed to the stated requirements.

I saw nothing of the sort, as that article is locked behind a paywall. And that wall slams shut well before any memo was quoted.

And this is something I always reject. When somebody quotes some source that can not be verified unless somebody pays them to read it.

As far as I am concerned, the article could be claiming that President Trump is really a giraffe in disguise. I can't say one thing or another, because I can't actually read the claim.

Oh, but I am laughing at the claim that they were checked for "appearance". Gee, can tell who has never served in the military after some lose their minds over that. Imagine that, the military being picky about the appearance of their members who might be seen in a camera. Kinda like how one of my duties as an NCO was checking the appearance of anybody under me on a daily basis.

Wait, you say you are going to the chow hall? Nope, not until you go back upstairs and shave first. And put on a clean uniform blouse, that one's nasty.
 
I saw nothing of the sort, as that article is locked behind a paywall. And that wall slams shut well before any memo was quoted.

And this is something I always reject. When somebody quotes some source that can not be verified unless somebody pays them to read it.

As far as I am concerned, the article could be claiming that President Trump is really a giraffe in disguise. I can't say one thing or another, because I can't actually read the claim.

Oh, but I am laughing at the claim that they were checked for "appearance". Gee, can tell who has never served in the military after some lose their minds over that. Imagine that, the military being picky about the appearance of their members who might be seen in a camera. Kinda like how one of my duties as an NCO was checking the appearance of anybody under me on a daily basis.

Wait, you say you are going to the chow hall? Nope, not until you go back upstairs and shave first. And put on a clean uniform blouse, that one's nasty.

Trump doesn't like fat people, which is quite a reveal, says a lot when you think about it.

The footage I saw, it looked and sounded just like a Trump rally, complete with selling Trump merchandise.

Not the kind of things one would expect to find at a military function.
 
"Soldiers appearing near President Donald Trump at a Tuesday speech at Fort Bragg were reportedly screened for their partisan politics and physical appearance.

Ahead of Trump’s visit to the North Carolina base, service members were asked to alert superiors if they had political differences with Trump so they could be removed, Military.com reports, citing internal 82nd Airborne Division communications.

"If soldiers have political views that are in opposition to the current administration and they don't want to be in the audience then they need to speak with their leadership and get swapped out," one note to troops obtained by the outlet said. Another allegedly focused on the troops’ physical appearance, bluntly commanding, “No fat soldiers.”


...During Trump’s visit, a vendor was also reportedly allowed to sell campaign-style Make America Great Again merchandise to troops, and the crowd of soldiers booed and cheered at Trump’s partisan speech, all of which broke with the military’s tradition and regulations around remaining non-political."

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Maybe it's just me, but dividing the military between MAGA and everyone else seems like a bad idea.
Maybe it's just me, but dividing the military between MAGA and everyone else seems like a bad idea.
It's an opt out for those who think it's too political.
"If soldiers have political views that are in opposition to the current administration and they don't want to be in the audience then they need to speak with their leadership and get swapped out,"
 
Trump doesn't like fat people, which is quite a reveal, says a lot when you think about it.

The footage I saw, it looked and sounded just like a Trump rally, complete with selling Trump merchandise.

Exactly how many "fat people" are in the Army? Let alone one of the Airborne Infantry units? Hell, when I was a grunt one of my biggest battles was actually not losing weight. Go into late spring at 170, by the fall it was a struggle to remain above 150.

 
Exactly how many "fat people" are in the Army? Let alone one of the Airborne Infantry units? Hell, when I was a grunt one of my biggest battles was actually not losing weight. Go into late spring at 170, by the fall it was a struggle to remain above 150.



What can I tell you. He doesn't like fat people and wanted to make sure, whether they exist in the army or not, behind him.
 
It's an opt out for those who think it's too political.


It was too political. That's the point. They were selling Trump merchandise and he made a political speech.

It looked and sounded like a Trump rally.
 
It was too political. That's the point. They were selling Trump merchandise and he made a political speech.

It looked and sounded like a Trump rally.
It's his birthday. Trump always overplays anything to do with his ego
 
Screening military personnel that are around the president is something every president has done.

Why is there even a thread for this? Must be another slow news day. Wait. I know it's not that.
With the Iran/Israel bombings. So what is it then?
 
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