Socialism Establishes Foothold In Southern California With Affordable Housing Mandates

[SkyChief]

I believe that a statement connecting high density housing to crime and deteriorating neighborhoods is similar to - but by no means as explicit and is not offensive as was Trump’s language about similar housing frightening “suburban (read white) housewives.” In my view, all communities of any significant size (Irvine has over 300k people) should have a variety of housing.

OK.

Btw, why is it socialism when a city mandates a variety of types of housing and not socialism when it’s zoning laws might allow for only single family homes?

I have already conceded that the Low-income housing mandate is not socialism:

. . . . Ok. I'll concede that the idiotic housing mandate in Irvine is not socialism. Forget the word socialism. Insert the words poor governance in its place - then the OP will make more sense.

In either case, the government is mandating a specific form of economic activity, in this case the type of houses that can be built.

And homophobic?

We agree that the government is mandating a specific form of economic activity. You celebrate it, I say that it is abuse of government power.

In a free society, the government doesn't dictate economic activities. Dynamics in the Free Market steer economic activity.

We just fundamentally disagree on how much power a government be allowed to impose on it citizens.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Good.

 

[weaver2]

In a free society, the government doesn't dictate economic activities.

Society installs government and tasks it with monitoring and managing economic activity so bullies don't dominate by force and there is an orderly conducting of business which is as fair as possible to all. You are describing a society without a government a chaos of the strongest dominating the rest.

Dynamics in the Free Market steer economic activity.

Without government control your free market become a domineering monopoly. Capitalism only works if there are rules for it to follow.

We just fundamentally disagree on how much power a government be allowed to impose on it citizens.

Making sure there is housing for all levels of society is not imposing a burden on anyone. Developers left to their own devices will and have run rough-shod over towns and cities.

 

[Nickyjo]

OK.


I have already conceded that the Low-income housing mandate is not socialism:

Thanks.

We agree that the government is mandating a specific form of economic activity. You celebrate it, I say that it is abuse of government power.

In a free society, the government doesn't dictate economic activities. Dynamics in the Free Market steer economic activity.

We just fundamentally disagree on how much power a government be allowed to impose on it citizens.

We could leave it at that. But my view is that conservatives and liberals simply differ on what kind of impositions. And there are plenty of free societies that dictate economic activities far more than happens in the US.

But was my mom free when as a young teen from a poor family she worked in a dress factory and the boss required her to take sewing home at nights to work. Were steelworkers I worked with in the 1960s free in the 30s when they told me the sign in the plant said “if you don’t show up Sunday, don’t show up Monday”? Were farm workers free when they were sprayed with poisons from airplanes when they worked in the fields?

The government “dictated economic activities” and changed these abuses. We remain free. How was that abuse of government power?

 

[SkyChief]

Society installs government and tasks it with monitoring and managing economic activity so bullies don't dominate by force and there is an orderly conducting of business which is as fair as possible to all. You are describing a society without a government a chaos of the strongest dominating the rest.

LOL the United States was founded on the notion that men should be able to trade freely without interference or hindrance of the King.

"A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned." - Thomas Jefferson

Without government control your free market become a domineering monopoly. Capitalism only works if there are rules for it to follow.

LOL! Again, the Founders of our country did not want government throwing their weight around. They wanted citizens to be able to associate and trade freely. The Founders understood that liberty and freedom are inversely proportional to government power - i.e., the more power government has, the less liberty for the people.

Ronald Reagan explained this concept better than me: "As government expands, liberty contracts."

Making sure there is housing for all levels of society is not imposing a burden on anyone.

That's not the point. The point is that our Constitution does not grant powers to the government to control or regulate the Housing Market.

Developers left to their own devices will and have run rough-shod over towns and cities.

Nonsense. Good grief.

Were farm workers free when they were sprayed with poisons from airplanes when they worked in the fields?

Freedom is subjective and relative. Relative to the Soviet workers, they were free. They could quit their job any time they felt it was time to leave. The Soviet worker would be hauled off to the gulag if he decided to quit working.

The government “dictated economic activities” and changed these abuses. We remain free. How was that abuse of government power?

It's known as "over-reach" - that's when government throws its weight around without the Constitutional authority to do so.

 

[weaver2]

"A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned." - Thomas Jefferson ........... "As government expands, liberty contracts." Ronald Reagan

Jefferson understood the complex nature of governing; supported government and wrote deeply and thoughtfully about the necessity of government.

Reagan understood his fan base and wrote simple minded aphorisms for them that showcased their distain for the government that Jefferson and other thinkers created.

 

[Gatsby]

Irvine will require developers to build affordable homes as a condition of the new "Inclusionary Housing Ordinance". The mandate requires developers of new residential projects either include affordable housing on-site OR pay punitive fees.

This is another huge fail for California government control of manufacture and distribution of goods and services (socialism).

I'm not a developer, but if I were, I would build real estate where it was more profitable - not in some socialist town that will punish me for sacrificing profits for DEI nonsense. I would build in a city that doesn't punish developers for building new housing.

This is a really dumb move by the City of Irvine. When developers take their business elsewhere, I suspect that the City of Irvine will repeal this idiotic ordinance.

Irvine used to be a beautiful city. Now they are forced to deal with high-density housing, and the crime which will inevitably follow - driving property values down.

Socialism sucks.


source: https://www.cityofirvine.org/affordable-housing/frequently-asked-questions

No one should be fooled by this. Irvine (and other cities that pull this crap) don't actually care about building more affordable housing. The whole purpose of these mandates is to stop the building of ANY housing, by making it unprofitable to build. It's an end-run around California's new housing reform laws (which are actually quite good), by NIMBY cities that would prefer their cities stay exactly as they were in 1980 until the end of time.