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Rich2018 said:
LOL, you still haven't figured out this debating business have you

YOU made an assertion, it is up to YOU to back it up with evidence

(over the months you've repeatedly refused to do this, or said something like "every news story there is", "it's common knowledge" etc)


"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." - Christopher Hitchens
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If you're so interested look it up yourself, if you don't want to believe the truth that's not my problem.



Rich2018 said:
Why not ?

If someone was approached in the street and asked if they have a gun, they might well answer "yes" so as to avoid needless harassment by being asked why and if they're a liberal, green new deal, Democrat...
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Or they could just walk away.





Rich2018 said:
But we ***DO*** have that for cars
OK, it's not a national database but all 50 states databases are connected. A cop can check your details from your license plate, even if it out of state
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Cars driven on public roads are registered in state databases, not in a national database such as what you want for guns.

Rich2018 said:
So your only objection to a mandatory gun database is that there isn't one for cars, not for any other reason ?
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Because the government has no business knowing which guns I own or if I even own guns in the first place.

Rich2018 said:
But is not the purpose of the background check to prove you are innocent. If that wasn't the case, we'd just assume everyone was innocent and sell guns to anyone with the $$$
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The purpose of background checks is to see that you don't have a criminal history, not to check to see if you will commit any crimes in the future.




Rich2018 said:
But the precedent is there is it not ?

Some things can be banned because we don't want people having them

So the only thing stopping guns from being banned is the 2nd Amendment, not any argument for not banning them.
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What prohibits guns from being banned is the right to keep and bear arms as identified by the 2nd Amendment.
 
TurtleDude said:
and when someone decides to break the law, then he is subject to criminal penalties. Not before that.
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That is why we want to take away your gun. We want to keep you out of jail.

We are do gooders, what can I say. :giggle:

Peace
 
DebateChallenge said:
If you're so interested look it up yourself, if you don't want to believe the truth that's not my problem.
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I'm not here to do your homework for you

YOU made the claim, YOU have the burden of proof, otherwise you're making a claim without evidence

"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." - Christopher Hitchens


Or they could just walk away.
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Which is probably what they do, leaving the gun owners to be the ones with registered answers


Cars driven on public roads are registered in state databases, not in a national database such as what you want for guns.
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And are not the state databases connected. If not, I'll bet it's really tough being a Rhode Island traffic policeman

Because the government has no business knowing which guns I own or if I even own guns in the first place.
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Why not ?

Why does the government (even the state government) has business in knowing what vehicle you drive, year of manufacture, VIN number etc ?


The purpose of background checks is to see that you don't have a criminal history, not to check to see if you will commit any crimes in the future.
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It is actually to present a barrier to people prohibited from having a gun, from buying one



What prohibits guns from being banned is the right to keep and bear arms as identified by the 2nd Amendment.
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But do you agree that there is a precedent to banning something the government doesn't want you to have - why do you think such a fertilizer ban exists ?

So you agree that the only thing stopping guns from being banned is the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution ?
 
Rich2018 said:
There's a phrase for that:

"Locking the stable door after the horse has bolted"

Does the word "proactive" mean nothing to you ?





Or they could become a bomber like Timothy McVeigh, so we outlaw private possession of explosives.
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Why don't we just arrest people before they commit the crime?
 
DebateChallenge said:
I see.

Its just when you have your location as Canada and you political leaning as that of a liberal it doesn't make a good impression for being a gun rights activist.
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Knowing a person’s lean and location doesn’t absolve you of the requirement to read and understand what they wrote before responding to it.

In the past week alone I’ve to correct 3 people who chose to respond to a post I wrote while not bothering to understand the context - or even read the post I was responding to.

Correcting other people simply because they were lazy is tiresome.
 
Rich2018 said:
Republicans would love that

The reason is that in the USA, you're innocent until proven guilty

I know that is a hard concept for you to grasp.
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Why would Republicans want to arrest people for gun crimes that hadn't happened?

I know that's a hard concept for you to grasp...
 
noonereal said:
That is your orange idol!
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why do you constantly tell lies? You have no basis in fact to claim I see any politician as an idol. Do you lie because you are unable to fashion a legitimate argument? Or is it the best you can do?
 
it's just me said:
Why would Republicans want to arrest people for gun crimes that hadn't happened?

I know that's a hard concept for you to grasp...
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Well you suggested it, why don't you explain ?

I'll remind you of what you said:

Why don't we just arrest people before they commit the crime?
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See if you can grasp the ramifications on the Constitution with that.
 
TurtleDude said:
why do you constantly tell lies? You have no basis in fact to claim I see any politician as an idol. Do you lie because you are unable to fashion a legitimate argument? Or is it the best you can do?
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Are seriously going to say that you do not worship the orange animal know as Trump?

LOL

And who is it that is going to believe that?
 
noonereal said:
Are seriously going to say that you do not worship the orange animal know as Trump?

LOL

And who is it that is going to believe that?
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you dishonestly claim that voting for someone =worshiping them. That is not factually accurate. And this board is filled with your juvenile lies-such as your silly claim that a suspected murderer is a "Trumpist" among other things.
 
TurtleDude said:
I know you do, you hate gun ownership and want to harass gun owners. But you dishonestly did not properly quote me.
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I most certainly did. I quoted the part I wanted to respond to. That is why the feature is available. So you can quote a section of a post to respond to. I did no editing or misrepresentation,.
 
Rich2018 said:
Don't republicans seek to ban things to prevent misuse ?
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This is the gun thread. The GOP doesn't wish to ban things that are properly protected by the constitution
 
Rich2018 said:
Well you suggested it, why don't you explain ?

I'll remind you of what you said:



See if you can grasp the ramifications on the Constitution with that.
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It's called "Reductio ad Absurdum" - taking your own ridiculous argument to the next level of absurdity.
 
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