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So you don't like Cancel Culture?

Yeah, it will be nice not having some super entitled, easily hurt group of people trying to get everything pulled off the air and shit like that over every little thing. It will be nice if we find our collective sense of humor again.

I think this latest thing with Chappelle has backfired on the Cancel Culture group, perhaps the turn around is neigh.
You know?
I agree completely.

LOTS of people immediately came out - very publicly - in support of him.
Maybe we have seen Cancel Culture's (CC) 'high water mark'.

BTW - I am not left or right.
I know the right can do equally, horrible things in terms of 'cancelling' people.
But, because the left is generally - seemingly - more tech savvy, more educated and seen as more 'sensitive'?
People tend to give them more weight morally about such things (rightly or wrongly).

The part that scares me the most about 'CC' is that it seems to flourish on university campuses.
I am 48.
But when I was at university?
Campuses were a place for open dialog and acceptance of everyone's point of view.
We would have verbally attacked anyone trying to cancel someone over a simple opinion.
We LOVED, LOTS of opinions. Even if they differed from ours.
Because we grew up with not being able to say what we wanted.

Now?
It has gotten so ugly.
It's like most people have grown up utterly terrified of the slightest negative thought.

I have my theories for that.

But, the bottom line is.
I agree with you.
Eventually...I think the pendulum will return to the middle.
And - hopefully - the Dave Chapelle special was the beginning of that cycle back to the middle.

 
Failed miserably. And it failed when they attacked that one guy by destroying his sign, claiming he had a weapon and then started pushing him.

Great way to lose support for one's cause: attacking someone on the opposing side for no reason.

But it was always inevitable that they'd fall. People eventually lose their patience, and then everything these poor Pajama Boy pansy types would go on to do afterwards would be considered an annoyance and people will finally say "Oh just shut the **** up already".
Hopefully, and the Cancel Culture goes both ways. Kaepernick was cancelled for kneeling and that was pretty much bullshit too. I firmly believe he'd still be playing if not for that. He wasn't elite, but he was good enough for a position on a team.
 
As we can see cancel culture is just the term people use to bitch about opinions they don't like. Boo hoo.
 
All he has to do is stop attacking trans people and in his specials and apologize for having done it in the first place.

Why should trans people be immune to ridicule by Chappelle? They need to man up and take it in stride.
 
Lil bit yeah, at the very least they don't really understand the problem on a high level and have a hard time acknowledging their own privilege. Turns out MIT seems to agree with me, and I've heard there's a lot of smart people there.
So...this 'black' person who is against AA is racist in your opinion?



Yes or no, please?
 
Perhaps the reason that you don't think cancel culture exists is because you are part of the problem and you are exactly the type of person we are talking about.

This rising tide of illiberalism, puritanism, and anti-intellectualism in America's public sphere is a real problem, because it becomes much harder to innovate in societies that do not value challenging the conventional wisdom.
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Hopefully, and the Cancel Culture goes both ways. Kaepernick was cancelled for kneeling and that was pretty much bullshit too. I firmly believe he'd still be playing if not for that. He wasn't elite, but he was good enough for a position on a team.
Yeah.

That Kaepernick thing was hideous.

Just because the guy kneeled?

Whoopie!!!
 
Yeah.

That Kaepernick thing was hideous.

Just because the guy kneeled?

Whoopie!!!
You and @Ikari should really decide if you are for or against protests... 😄

Or maybe you two are just for ineffective ones. Maybe you two just don't understand the point of protests to begin with. 😄
 
Yeah, it will be nice not having some super entitled, easily hurt group of people trying to get everything pulled off the air and shit like that over every little thing. It will be nice if we find our collective sense of humor again.
Good comedians know that you should always punch up, never down. If you're laughing at those who attack the weak and defenseless then you're the one who has a bad sense of humor.
 
Good comedians know that you should always punch up, never down. If you're laughing at those who attack the weak and defenseless then you're the one who has a bad sense of humor.
Well Chappelle is considered one of the best comedians, so I suppose he wasn't punching down.
 
So...this 'black' person who is against AA is racist in your opinion?



Yes or no, please?

This person doesn't appear to be against affirmative action at all, he's looking for ways to improve it. He's very clearly acknowledging that the problem exists and it needs a solution similar to it.
 
This person doesn't appear to be against affirmative action at all, he's looking for ways to improve it. He's very clearly acknowledging that the problem exists and it needs a solution similar to it.
Well... I looked it up and apparently quotas are now illegal anyway.

Alright.

How about this black man?


Is/was he racist?

Or this black man?


Is/was he racist?
 
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Good comedians know that you should always punch up, never down. If you're laughing at those who attack the weak and defenseless then you're the one who has a bad sense of humor.
How the heck would you know what 'good Comedians' should or should not do?

Are you a 'good comedian'?
 
Is/was he racist?
Seems a little bit yeah. At the very least he's an idiot who doesn't understand the problem.
Or this black man?


Is/was he racist?
Yeah, I'd say he's definatly a bit racist and 100% a moron.
 
Seems a little bit yeah. At the very least he's an idiot who doesn't understand the problem.

Yeah, I'd say he's definatly a bit racist and 100% a moron.
So...if a black man/woman is against Affirmative Action?
They are racist?
Even if you know NOTHING ELSE about them?

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Well...that is the most ridiculous thing I have read today.

Goes a LONG way to giving us a clear picture of what you are really like.

Bye now.
 
How the heck would you know what 'good Comedians' should or should not do?

Are you a 'good comedian'?
Actually yeah, I do have a much better sense of humor than most, but if you don't believe me try listening to good comedians...

 
It's not just from right wing sources.

Anyone who saw the last Dave Chappell special and then the ludicrous overreaction afterwards AND who has a decent amount of common sense?
Could EASILY see that Cancel Culture has gone WAY too far.

It's one thing to say: 'I don't like what you said...I am ignoring you.'
And saying: 'I don't like what you said. I want to stop anyone from ever hearing you say that.'

That is censorship and attacking freedom of speech...100%.

And Americans are finally wising up to it.
But the last Dave Chappell special was not cancelled. It is OK to protest what you don't like, but I say if you don't like it, don't watch. I remember when a group from the NAACP protested "The Color Purple" which is now considered one of the best movies Steven Spilberg ever produced. It is a classic.
 
What exactly happened to Kevin Hart? He was asked not to host the Oscars? That's it?

Last I checked he is still a Huge movie star with commercials on T.V. all the time. He still commands huge audiences for his comedy shows.
Why do you keep minimizing blackballing like this - every - single - time? Kevin Hart should not have to lose this very well paying opportunity because people like you cannot seem to handle it that this country, people should not have to choose between remaining silent, keeping their voice and their ideas under wraps, to keep working. Your validation of this method, makes it clear that you don't want him to be a' huge star' at all, that you don't want his comedy shows booked, or those audiences to buy tickets to his shows. You want his career destroyed. The fact that it has not been, is no thanks to apologists like you.

Stop minimizing the dangers of this 'social justice' tactic of yours, weaponizing every working person's livelihoods when they dare to march, to speak out, to tweet, to write a letter to the editor, to even put a sign on their lawn endorsing a view that is controversial or unpopular. It was wrong when it happened to Kevin Hart, to Dixie Chicks, to Earth Kitt, to Burl Ives, or Charlie Chaplin to Lena Horne, Orson Wells. In those cases, its not wrong because their kids did not eat, or they could not afford to heat their homes at night. Its still wrong because many of these celebrities lost out on projects that might have brought inspiration to the rest of us. Some had to leave their own country for years, decades, so many people right here in the states, never had an opportunity to hear them sing in a concert, or watch their work on screen at all because of your 'cancel culture' tactics.

It just gets a whole lot worse when working people have to make an even harder choice, not only to lose out on opportunities to pursue their career of choice the way they dreamed, , but to lose out on economic security for themselves, their families, kids. Any time a corporation decides that someone should lose their job for something controversial they said yesterday or 10 years ago, or a cause they marched for, or something they posted, You empower the wrong people, the people who already have benefit of the lion's share of economic power.
 
What other marginalized groups should Chapelle punch down at?

Don't know but I kinda like being made fun of as white southerner. Lets me know people are thinking about me. You know Chappelle is one of last funny comedians out there. Have you seen SNL lately? Thought not.
 
Why do you keep minimizing blackballing like this - every - single - time? Kevin Hart should not have to lose this very well paying opportunity because people like you cannot seem to handle it that this country, people should not have to choose between remaining silent, keeping their voice and their ideas under wraps, to keep working.
Why not? If you're selling something why shouldn't it have to be appealing to the people you are trying to sell it to? Cancel culture isn't stopping Kevin Heart from saying a damn thing. He's free to say whatever he wants. It's when he wants to sell his speech as an entertainment commodity that he's forced to appeal to customers. That's capitalism as the OP explained it. It should be minimized because when Kevin Heart can't find a buyer for his speech that isn't some tragedy it's the response of the market place.
Stop minimizing the dangers of this 'social justice' tactic of yours, weaponizing every working person's livelihoods when they dare to march, to speak out, to tweet, to write a letter to the editor, to even put a sign on their lawn endorsing a view that is controversial or unpopular.
The dangers of voicing you opinion are ridicule and admonishing. If you're unprepared to pay that price then don't open your mouth. You have no right to universal praise and adulation.
It just gets a whole lot worse when working people have to make an even harder choice, not only to lose out on opportunities to pursue their career of choice the way they dreamed, , but to lose out on economic security for themselves, their families, kids. Any time a corporation decides that someone should lose their job for something controversial they said yesterday or 10 years ago, or a cause they marched for, or something they posted, You empower the wrong people, the people who already have benefit of the lion's share of economic power.
On the other hand employers shouldn't have to suffer revenue losses because their clients have a problem with them employing controversial figures.
 
Don't know but I kinda like being made fun of as white southerner. Lets me know people are thinking about me. You know Chappelle is one of last funny comedians out there. Have you seen SNL lately? Thought not.

White Southerners are anything but marginalized.

I don’t have TV, so no, I haven’t watched SNl.
 
Why do you keep minimizing blackballing like this - every - single - time? Kevin Hart should not have to lose this very well paying opportunity
One well-paying opportunity, and yes, he should. An Oscar host is hired because he or she is someone people like, and will bring in good ratings. If a ton of people in the Oscars target demographic don't like the host then they're not going to watch.
Not sure if you realize this, but the theatre and arts community have a very large gay contingent. Why should gay people who might otherwise enjoy watching the Oscars be subjected to a host they know is homophobic? There are a million other people who could have hosted the Oscars and almost all of them are more respectful to that community.

You seem to not understand the difference between punishing someone and not rewarding them.

because people like you cannot seem to handle it that this country, people should not have to choose between remaining silent, keeping their voice and their ideas under wraps, to keep working. Your validation of this method, makes it clear that you don't want him to be a' huge star' at all,
I want him and people like him to stop and think about how their words matter. I want him to learn how a megastar like him bashing homosexuality forwards homophobia and contributes to bullying and violence against gay people. If he shows that he understands that then he can star in all the movies he wants to.
Until then, people who support the LBGTQ community are not going to spend our hard-earned money helping a bigot get famous.

Stop minimizing the dangers of this 'social justice' tactic of yours, weaponizing every working person's livelihoods
Again, Kevin Hart is still famous. He is still a movie star. He still has commercials on TV every day.

Do you think Rosie O'Donnell should be asked to host the Country Music Awards? How about Stephen Colbert? Michelle Wolf?
Do you think any of these people's schtick would go over well in front of that audience?
How about we ask Sinead O'Connor to sing Amazing Grace at the annual meeting of Catholic Priests.
Or maybe we should ask Ted Nugent to play a Hillary Clinton fundraiser?
when they dare to march, to speak out, to tweet, to write a letter to the editor, to even put a sign on their lawn endorsing a view that is controversial or unpopular.
What if the sign said, "I hate N*ggers!"? I mean if you're a racist piece of shit you'd probably not see why that sign is a problem, but any decent human being should know that that person is a racist piece of shit.

So where do we draw the line? When does a person's bigotry become so bigotted that it's okay for companies to decide they don't want to be associated with you? I would say all bigotry is too much bigotry, but I guess some bigotry is fine by you?

It was wrong when it happened to Kevin Hart, to Dixie Chicks, to Earth Kitt, to Burl Ives, or Charlie Chaplin to Lena Horne, Orson Wells.
Are you being ****ing serious right now?
Literally, every person you named here besides Kevin Hart was someone who was canceled decades ago by Conservatives. This is not Cancel Culture. Cancel Culture is the term right-wing asshats came up with when all of a sudden the tables got turned on them.

For most of human history, Gay people had to hide. They had to remain "in the closet" out of fear that their lives would be destroyed if anybody found out they were gay. Hatred of Gay people was so ****ing common nobody even gave it a second thought. Every aspect of who they were was "Cancelled."
It is people like Kevin Hart who continue to popularize homophobia and make it seem normal to shun the gay community.
People like Kevin Hart are being shunned and held accountable because they themselves are unwittingly participating in the "Cancelling" of all gay people everywhere by making them afraid to publicly be who they are.
 
Why do you keep minimizing blackballing like this - every - single - time? Kevin Hart should not have to lose this very well paying opportunity because people like you cannot seem to handle it that this country, people should not have to choose between remaining silent, keeping their voice and their ideas under wraps, to keep working.
Your posts are among the more intelligent and thought-provoking I've read on this subject and I'm going back and forth on where I stand. Seems to me there's a fairly obvious and pretty big difference between public actions or public personalities, and private ones. An ordinary person doing stuff in their own time that others disagree with, without breaking any laws or directly harming anyone, shouldn't have it affect their employment unless it actually affects their work or their co-workers. But it doesn't follow from that that celebrities, politicians or others who've chosen to be in the public eye - often profiting mightily from doing so - should be spared pushback from anything they choose to publicize. In most cases that's not even using a different standard for public figures; it's the same standard, because anything which affects their popularity is affecting their work, the product or service they've got to offer.
 
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