So what will the SCOTUS so on the 5th?

[Renae]

Should he release everything the conspiracy theorists scream?

Nope, just on this issue he does kinda gotta produce the damn thing. Most of the tin foilers are nuts. There is however the small point of that whole Constitutional requirement of citizenship. If he popped the BC out... guess what, this goes away, that he hasn't by know raises questions of his judgment.

 

[jallman]

Nope, just on this issue he does kinda gotta produce the damn thing. Most of the tin foilers are nuts. There is however the small point of that whole Constitutional requirement of citizenship. If he popped the BC out... guess what, this goes away, that he hasn't by know raises questions of his judgment.

I don't think it says much about his judgment as much as it does about his attitude of entitlement to the presidency and his arrogance in acting as if he doesn't have to answer to the constitution.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I've noticed when it comes to childish antics and lowlife behavior, the left definitely takes the cake.

Interesting. I've noticed the opposite. I suppose it's a matter of perspective. Observationally, I think both sides do some pretty ridiculous things. They just do them in different ways.

 

[jfuh]

Most of us have moved beyond skin color, you should join us int he 21st century and try it.

Oh you mean to homosexuals and muslims? The new black?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Moderator's Warning:

Everyone cease the attacks, flaming, and baiting, or there will be further consequences.

 

[jfuh]

If he'd actually RELEASE it, then you might have a point, he NEVER has, a COLB is not a BC.

DUR

Nope, just on this issue he does kinda gotta produce the damn thing. Most of the tin foilers are nuts. There is however the small point of that whole Constitutional requirement of citizenship. If he popped the BC out... guess what, this goes away, that he hasn't by know raises questions of his judgment.

Okay, so you at least acknowledge the release of a certificate of live birth. Now care to edumacate us on what the difference between a certificate of live birth and birth certificate is?

 

[emdash]

Oh you mean to homosexuals and muslims? The new black?

no one here is talking about skin color except you. the issue is about his citizenship and it most likely arose not from his skin color, but from the fact that he has lived in other countries for a good chunk of his life including his early childhood. mccain got flack about possibly being born in panama, and he is as white as they come.

 

[jallman]

no one here is talking about skin color except you. the issue is about his citizenship and it most likely arose not from his skin color, but from the fact that he has lived in other countries for a good chunk of his life including his early childhood. mccain got flack about possibly being born in panama, and he is as white as they come.

How dare you use reason and honesty to kick the favored liberal crutch out from under jfuh's argument!?!? You're bad, bad girl.

 

[jfuh]

no one here is talking about skin color except you.

Where had I talked about his skin color? Vicchio was the first to bring up skin color.

the issue is about his citizenship and it most likely arose not from his skin color, but from the fact that he has lived in other countries for a good chunk of his life including his early childhood. mccain got flack about possibly being born in panama, and he is as white as they come.

He wasn't born in Panama, he was born along the controled territory of the Panamanian Canal - which at the time was under the US flag and there were legitimate legal concerns about that.
What are the legitimate legal concerns about Obama?

 

[emdash]

Where had I talked about his skin color? Vicchio was the first to bring up skin color.

you said that homosexual and muslim is the new black. meaning that yes, you were referring to the "fact" that he is black. and yes, you brought up his skin color before mrvicchio, although you did not in fact use the term "skin color." good job.

He wasn't born in Panama, he was born along the controled territory of the Panamanian Canal - which at the time was under the US flag and there were legitimate legal concerns about that.
What are the legitimate legal concerns about Obama?

how about this one--if he's not a US citizen, he can't be president. seeing as how he's centimeters away from being elected, I'd say his citizenship is a legitimate concern.

 

[Renae]

Jfuh, anyone can get a COLB, it does NOT say where you were born, hospital or any of those other rather important points. You could go knock up some Korean gal in Cuba and a Hawaiin COLB

 

[Lightdemon]

Jfuh, anyone can get a COLB, it does NOT say where you were born, hospital or any of those other rather important points. You could go knock up some Korean gal in Cuba and a Hawaiin COLB

And yet on the COLB it has the time of birth and location...odd, isn't it?

It's all a big conspiracy! It must have been photoshopped right? :roll:

 

[Invayne]

It's all a big conspiracy! It must have been photoshopped right? :roll:

BINGO! We have a winner!:2wave:

 

[Lightdemon]

BINGO! We have a winner!:2wave:

If you really want to know the truth, Obama has been putting on a gorilla suit and taking walks in the forests. He's the one behind all those sightings!

 

[Invayne]

If you really want to know the truth, Obama has been putting on a gorilla suit and taking walks in the forests. He's the one behind all those sightings!

Really? He's Bigfoot?:shock:

 

[Lightdemon]

Really? He's Bigfoot?:shock:

No :roll: He's feeding into the conspiracy of bigfoot. Just like how he's feeding into the this conspiracy by giving out his COLB with all those photoshopped dates and locations. He should have just given his CB, like Vicchio said. :roll:

 

[emdash]

No :roll: He's feeding into the conspiracy of bigfoot. Just like how he's feeding into the this conspiracy by giving out his COLB with all those photoshopped dates and locations. He should have just given his CB, like Vicchio said. :roll:

careful, invayne is extremely gullible.

 

[Lightdemon]

careful, invayne is extremely gullible.

I don't think that's possible...I've been rolling my eyes so long I'm getting dizzy!

 

[jfuh]

you said that homosexual and muslim is the new black. meaning that yes, you were referring to the "fact" that he is black.

You're not much of a fashion person I take it. The new black means it's the popular color to wear - of course there was the pun intended of in the olden days it was skin color that was the popular thing to discriminate against, since vicchio was referencing to the 21st century and the new boogieman are homosexuals and muslims hence the pun.

and yes, you brought up his skin color before mrvicchio, although you did not in fact use the term "skin color." good job.

I did? You sure you not confusing me with someone else?

how about this one--if he's not a US citizen, he can't be president. seeing as how he's centimeters away from being elected, I'd say his citizenship is a legitimate concern.

I'm sorry, proof? If you are going to make the claim, burdon of proof rests with you. Since when has it become that Obama isn't even a citizen?

 

[jfuh]

Jfuh, anyone can get a COLB, it does NOT say where you were born, hospital or any of those other rather important points. You could go knock up some Korean gal in Cuba and a Hawaiin COLB

Before we go any further with this conspiracy, do you first recognize that he has provided his certificate of live birth and that it is a valid hawaiian certificate of live birth, I don't want to have to come back to this again.

 

[emdash]

You're not much of a fashion person I take it. The new black means it's the popular color to wear - of course there was the pun intended of in the olden days it was skin color that was the popular thing to discriminate against, since vicchio was referencing to the 21st century and the new boogieman are homosexuals and muslims hence the pun.

I understood all of that very well the first time.

I did? You sure you not confusing me with someone else?

you're right, the first one was adk forever, my bad, I apologize.

I should have said, no one here is talking about skin color except for you and adk forever.

as far as I can tell mrvicchio's mention of skin color was only to assure you two that it is not actually an issue to anyone but you.

I'm sorry, proof? If you are going to make the claim, burdon of proof rests with you. Since when has it become that Obama isn't even a citizen?

I'm not making any claims. I'm just saying, since it's a job requirement for him to be a citizen, he better have proof of citizenship, and I don't see what's wrong with asking any presidential candidate to produce his birth certificate, even the white ones.

 

[Iriemon]

All BO has to do is release his BC to the world, and this stupidity goes away. That he doesn't, pisses me off on one level, and fuels stupid CT on the other.

He has released it. Who else should he release it to?

It doesn't matter what he does. The koolaid drinkers will be arguing its a phony and the 25% true beleivers will remain convinced that the Manchurian candidate heads our government.

 

[Iriemon]

That and an unquestionable valid birth certificate would be fine.

How can a birth certificate be unquestionable?

 

[Iriemon]

I went out into Googland to try and find the facts to debunk this conspiracy theory. What I found was a very persuasive argument for forcing him to produce it: The Bulletin - Philadelphia's Family Newspaper - Obama Fomenting A Constitutional Crisis: Constitutional Lawyer Discusses Ramifications Of Controversy

However, All the Constitutional and law issues raised in the article I linked to could equally be settled by the Supreme Court simply declaring that he is eligible based on the laws of the State of Hawaii pertaining to birth records and their legal force.

Nevertheless, the article also raises the issue of Obama's ethics, and the issues raised there are less easily dismissed. It could be that Obama is truly convinced that he has done everything reasonable, and that bowing to conspiracists at every turn will just feed the flames worse than not giving in. This is probably the case, as it is certainly how I felt before reading the linked article. I can certainly see how his advisors would dig in their heels.

I guess the article has given me additional things to think about, even if I still feel that the reasons Obama is 'being stubborn' are valid ones.

I've yet to hear anyone explain hwo Obama is being stubborn or unreasonable.

He produced a copy of his BC. If it is not the original, there has been no evidence that he has the original, it is kept by the State of Hawaii officials, who have publicly stated they have it and it is genuine. Hawaii has rules about to handling the orginal.

There has been no court that has required Obama to produce his BC. There has been no court that has made an inquiry to Hawaii about the validity of it.

So exactly what has Obama been stubborn about? He has produced his BC and posted it. So exactly what else should he produce, and to whom? The truthers and conspiracy nuts?

 

[Iriemon]

If he'd actually RELEASE it, then you might have a point, he NEVER has, a COLB is not a BC.

DUR

He has released it, and posted it on the web.

So what exactly else should he RELEASE, and to whom?