So, some of you want THIS guy to be President again?

[upsideguy]

That is possible.


So you claim.


I attribute the enthusiasm to how horribly bad a candidate Biden was.

Note that they still propped him up


There was a pandemic.

Not similar at all.


Yata, yata.

Trump never had a lead in either 2016 or 2020. He does now.


It's my degree field.

I keep up.

You are comparing the polling difference between Trump and Clinton in 2016 to the difference the Harris/Trump polling difference today remarking that Clinton was way ahead and then Trump won. Certainly an interesting assertion, but there are two problems with that analysis:

1. As I stated previously, the polls are shifting fast. Taking a benchmark today is a bit dangerous because today's numbers are not likely the real numbers. Harris' real number, today, is likely stronger than reflected in polls produced today, but researched 2 to 5 days ago. A perfect example of the shift -- in a Marist poll released this evening, there was a pronounced shift in Independents. Harris is now up 9 points among so-called Independents vs being down by 14 points two weeks ago. https://www.nj.com/news/2024/08/in-new-marist-poll-harris-makes-astronomical-move-on-trump.html
2. If you look that the Clinton/Trump polling (see cite below), you will see that the sum of their support was generally around 90% (some of the August 2016 polls, the aggregate Clinton/Trump number was closer to 80%). This meant that 10% of the vote was unaccounted for --- there was far more upside for each candidate in 2016 than is reflected in the current polling that has the sum of Trump and Harris support at 97-98%. There are no undecideds to be had by either candidate in 2024. Moreover, many polls are now showing Harris in the low 50's in support, which makes this even more difficult for Trump.

2016 General Election: Trump vs. Clinton | RealClearPolling

2016 General Election: Trump vs. Clinton | RealClearPolling

www.realclearpolling.com

Granted, election polls are a combination of candidate preference and turnout model. When these polls bust, its usually a bust in the turnout model. The thing pollsters struggle the most often with is the turnout of younger voters. I submit the excitement of the Harris candidacy, particularly because she represents a new generation of POTUS candidate, will mean higher younger voter turnout.... is this baked into the numbers?

 

[upsideguy]

Oh, Jesus, that's right....

That trump will devolve into a complete blithering idiot long before 2028 won't stop MAGA from embracing him.

There is little chance he would run in 2028. He would be 82 when campaigning, then 83-87 when serving his term. Biden was flushed from the system for trying to run when he was 81. Trump already has issues with physical and cognitive age related issues, and maybe even some dementia, they aren't going to get better.

Between elections, Trump will face his criminality. Its not likely to go in his favor. Though he is running to escape accountability, if he loses, it will find him.

Then there is the little matter of Republicans continuing to lose under his 'leadership' He is substantially the reason they underperformed in 2017,18,19,20,21,22,23 and 24 (and thereafter). Eventually the party has to come to terms with its consistent underperforming. They will suck it up and realize they need to lose the loser, and move on.

Sorry, as much as the Republicans are emeshed with their fantasy image of Donald Trump, this will end. It will substantially end with his loss in November. He may tell people he is running in '28, but it ain't happenin'. Beat him in November and finally the villian is dead.

 

[TangoNoCash]

I think someone might have just realized they are probably going to jail.

 

[Lovebug]

"What are the chances that Crooked Joe Biden, the WORST President in the history of the U.S., whose Presidency was Unconstitutionally STOLEN from him by Kamabla, Barrack HUSSEIN Obama, Crazy Nancy Pelosi, Shifty Adam Schiff, Cryin’ Chuck Schumer, and others on the Lunatic Left, CRASHES the Democrat National Convention and tries to take back the Nomination, beginning with challenging me to another DEBATE."

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Guy's Looney Tunes.

I bet Magas will come out in defense of that.

 

[Jay59]

You are comparing the polling difference between Trump and Clinton in 2016 to the difference the Harris/Trump polling difference today remarking that Clinton was way ahead and then Trump won.

Poor statement of summary.

I said that Trump is far ahead of where he was in 2016 and that Clinton was a stronger candidate than Harris.

Certainly an interesting assertion, but there are two problems with that analysis:

It's your analysis. I disown it.

[*]As I stated previously, the polls are shifting fast. Taking a benchmark today is a bit dangerous because today's numbers are not likely the real numbers. Harris' real number, today, is likely stronger than reflected in polls produced today, but researched 2 to 5 days ago. A perfect example of the shift -- in a Marist poll released this evening, there was a pronounced shift in Independents. Harris is now up 9 points among so-called Independents vs being down by 14 points two weeks ago. https://www.nj.com/news/2024/08/in-new-marist-poll-harris-makes-astronomical-move-on-trump.html
[*]If you look that the Clinton/Trump polling (see cite below), you will see that the sum of their support was generally around 90% (some of the August 2016 polls, the aggregate Clinton/Trump number was closer to 80%). This meant that 10% of the vote was unaccounted for --- there was far more upside for each candidate in 2016 than is reflected in the current polling that has the sum of Trump and Harris support at 97-98%. There are no undecideds to be had by either candidate in 2024. Moreover, many polls are now showing Harris in the low 50's in support, which makes this even more difficult for Trump.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2016/trump-vs-clinton

Next time, try to stay on point.

Granted, election polls are a combination of candidate preference and turnout model. When these polls bust, its usually a bust in the turnout model. The thing pollsters struggle the most often with is the turnout of younger voters. I submit the excitement of the Harris candidacy, particularly because she represents a new generation of POTUS candidate, will mean higher younger voter turnout.... is this baked into the numbers?

Address the points that were made--Trump is far ahead of where he was and Hillary>>Kamala

 

[Fearandloathing]

In space no one can hear you scream....

DONALD TRUMP IS WEIRD!

He belongs in space then.

The pressure in space and his head will be equal....he'll float.

 

[Buckeyes85]

Poor statement of summary.

I said that Trump is far ahead of where he was in 2016 and that Clinton was a stronger candidate than Harris.


It's your analysis. I disown it.


Next time, try to stay on point.


Address the points that were made--Trump is far ahead of where he was and Hillary>>Kamala

Gotta' love the consistency. When she was running, you Trumpers claimed HRC was the worst candidate in the history of elections, terrible, terrible campaigner, terrible speaker, terrible personality. Just terrible.
But now, at least compared to Harris, HRC was a strong candidate?

Or is it that HRC was so horribly, horribly bad, but Harris is even worse, therefore HRC was "stronger"?

If so, good luck with that unbiased analysis and predictions.

 

[Jay59]

Gotta' love the consistency. When she was running, you Trumpers claimed HRC was the worst candidate in the history of elections, terrible, terrible campaigner, terrible speaker, terrible personality.

That was never me except for the personality. Hillary could campaign when she felt the need and was a decent speaker.

Hillary's personality is vile to the point that Trump looks acceptable.

Just terrible. But now, at least compared to Harris, HRC was a strong candidate?

Correct.

Harris does not have Hillary's resume, intellect, speaking skills, or personal presence. All Kamala has is the propaganda machine.

Or is it that HRC was so horribly, horribly bad, but Harris is even worse, therefore HRC was "stronger"?

Asked and answered

If so, good luck with that unbiased analysis and predictions.

Thank you for noticing that the analysis is unbiased.

 

[redbeer]

"What are the chances that Crooked Joe Biden, the WORST President in the history of the U.S., whose Presidency was Unconstitutionally STOLEN from him by Kamabla, Barrack HUSSEIN Obama, Crazy Nancy Pelosi, Shifty Adam Schiff, Cryin’ Chuck Schumer, and others on the Lunatic Left, CRASHES the Democrat National Convention and tries to take back the Nomination, beginning with challenging me to another DEBATE."

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Guy's Looney Tunes.

That would be hilarious to watch, but Joe wouldn't know how to get there. It would be a convention from hell.....the left eating their own....a huge spectacle. Trump is ready to debate whomever......let's get it on.

 

[Lord of Planar]

"What are the chances that Crooked Joe Biden, the WORST President in the history of the U.S., whose Presidency was Unconstitutionally STOLEN from him by Kamabla, Barrack HUSSEIN Obama, Crazy Nancy Pelosi, Shifty Adam Schiff, Cryin’ Chuck Schumer, and others on the Lunatic Left, CRASHES the Democrat National Convention and tries to take back the Nomination, beginning with challenging me to another DEBATE."

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Guy's Looney Tunes.

What is it with loaded questions?

I doubt few people on the right want Trump. They want a better choice than Trump. The problem is that he is the lesser evil. He is the best of the candidates, as bad as he is.

 

[Airyaman]

What is it with loaded questions?

I doubt few people on the right want Trump. They want a better choice than Trump. The problem is that he is the lesser evil. He is the best of the candidates, as bad as he is.

You could have picked Desantis, Haley, Christie, etc. but you went with the immoral conman grifter convict instead. That's who Republican voters chose, so if you doubt few on the right want Trump, who voted for him?

 

[Lord of Planar]

You could have picked Desantis, Haley, Christie, etc. but you went with the immoral conman grifter convict instead. That's who Republican voters chose, so if you doubt few on the right want Trump, who voted for him?

It's sad when a man like trump has a better chance of improving this nation instead of those you listed.

 

[SavannahMann]

"What are the chances that Crooked Joe Biden, the WORST President in the history of the U.S., whose Presidency was Unconstitutionally STOLEN from him by Kamabla, Barrack HUSSEIN Obama, Crazy Nancy Pelosi, Shifty Adam Schiff, Cryin’ Chuck Schumer, and others on the Lunatic Left, CRASHES the Democrat National Convention and tries to take back the Nomination, beginning with challenging me to another DEBATE."

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Guy's Looney Tunes.

Trump had a line of attack that worked. Biden was too old and out of it to be President. Honestly Biden was too flaky to be a Senator thirty years ago. But I digress.

So Trump was leading in the Polls, and skating to a victory, if not an easy one. Then his enemies, the Democrats, did what he suggested. They decided Biden was too old and confused to continue for another Term.

What happens when you win? Trump won the argument. Biden was too old and confused. Ok. Now Trump who is three years younger than Biden is left claiming that he isn’t too old.

So how do you go after the replacement? She’s too female? She’s too Black? Ok. It sells well with the douche bags that make up the core of your followers. But does it sell well anywhere else?

So what is he left with to campaign on? The year of Toilet Paper Shortage that marked the end of his last term? Double digit unemployment? His ability to placate Putin and China?

He’s tried scare tactics and they aren’t working. The threat of Brown people taking Black Jobs doesn’t seem to help him in the polls.

He’s trying to play the victim, but it is an old and worn out playbook. Trump now is trying to be offensive that Kamala gets angry and starts screaming about him. That hasn’t worked, and Trump comes off looking like a Douche.

Now his base may like and approve of Trump looking like a Douche. But the independent voters don’t and the polls are showing that. Trump keeps dropping. And he can’t counter that. He has to appear competent and energetic and he can’t manage it.

 

[Hypothetical]

sounds like he's just having a bit of fun to me.

what are you all so scared off that you have to pounce on nothing?

 

[holbritter]

"What are the chances that Crooked Joe Biden, the WORST President in the history of the U.S., whose Presidency was Unconstitutionally STOLEN from him by Kamabla, Barrack HUSSEIN Obama, Crazy Nancy Pelosi, Shifty Adam Schiff, Cryin’ Chuck Schumer, and others on the Lunatic Left, CRASHES the Democrat National Convention and tries to take back the Nomination, beginning with challenging me to another DEBATE."

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Guy's Looney Tunes.

Disgusting sub-human

 

[Airyaman]

It's sad when a man like trump has a better chance of improving this nation instead of those you listed.

No he doesn't. In what way? What policies does he propose that will better than those of other Republicans? Please list some.

 

[RedFishBlueFish]

Wow, he's completely coming unglued, he's totally derailing. Joe Biden's presidency was unconstitutionally stolen by Harris and company?

He needs to be in a straight jacket in a padded cell...

The right keeps bitching about lack of press conferences and interviews by Harris.

Who needs them when the opposition is melting down before our eyes.

 

[RedFishBlueFish]

What is it with loaded questions?

I doubt few people on the right want Trump. They want a better choice than Trump. The problem is that he is the lesser evil. He is the best of the candidates, as bad as he is.

HaHaHaHa. Are you taking the same medications as Trump?

 

[The AntiDonald]

Like in 2016.


Why?

He's polling more than 6% ahead of 2020. Hillary was a much scarier opponent and he's 6.5% ahead of his numbers that year.

Very few people really knew who and what Trump was in 2016. We all know who and what he is today. That's a huge difference in the way people think about voting.

 

[Lursa]

Poor statement of summary.

I said that Trump is far ahead of where he was in 2016 and that Clinton was a stronger candidate than Harris.

Yeah but people were asleep then, nowhere near this energy for Hillary.

And we all expected her to win, so a lot of voters didnt turn out and he squeaked by in the electoral college. He didnt get the popular vote, ever.

This time, people are not going to let that happen, again. That should have been clear in 2020.

 

[upsideguy]

"What are the chances that Crooked Joe Biden, the WORST President in the history of the U.S., whose Presidency was Unconstitutionally STOLEN from him by Kamabla, Barrack HUSSEIN Obama, Crazy Nancy Pelosi, Shifty Adam Schiff, Cryin’ Chuck Schumer, and others on the Lunatic Left, CRASHES the Democrat National Convention and tries to take back the Nomination, beginning with challenging me to another DEBATE."

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Guy's Looney Tunes.

Donald get help! A few years of good therapy and you will have much less anger, feel much better and others will actually like being around you.

 

[BabaVoss]

Weird Orange Guy seems to be filling his diaper while rage posting.

Unfit.

 

[BabaVoss]

What is it with loaded questions?

I doubt few people on the right want Trump. They want a better choice than Trump. The problem is that he is the lesser evil. He is the best of the candidates, as bad as he is.

 

[Jay59]

Very few people really knew who and what Trump was in 2016. We all know who and what he is today. That's a huge difference in the way people think about voting.

Trump can run as a proven success.

He is, after all.

Yeah but people were asleep then, nowhere near this energy for Hillary.

Meh.

And we all expected her to win, so a lot of voters didnt turn out and he squeaked by in the electoral college. He didnt get the popular vote, ever.

Complacency was an issue just as it was for Trump in 2020.

This time, people are not going to let that happen, again. That should have been clear in 2020.

To my eye, nothing significant has changed except that Trump has a lead and Harris is not the campaigner Team Clinton was

 

[Lursa]

Trump can run as a proven success.

And yet he wasnt, proof: the majority voted him out.

He is, after all.

Non-responsive to what's been recognized as critical.

Meh.

Non-responsive.

Complacency was an issue just as it was for Trump in 2020.

Citation?

To my eye, nothing significant has changed except that Trump has a lead and Harris is not the campaigner Team Clinton was

So...a bunch of "na huh" and nothing to debate. Why bother even responding? You could have at least pretended to forget and no one would have noticed.