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So Much for Alleged Unprecedented Ocean Warming

Jack Hays

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Once again Steve McIntyre is keeping the players honest.:peace



Data and Corrections for Rosenthal et al 2013


Mar 2, 2014 – 9:59 PM
Last year, I wrote a blog post covering Rosenthal et al 2013 – see here. It reported on interesting Mg-Ca ocean cores in the western Pacific from the foraminfera H. Balthica, which is believed to be a proxy for “intermediate water temperatures”.
The press release stated that the middle depths were warming “15 times faster” than ever before:
In a reconstruction of Pacific Ocean temperatures in the last 10,000 years, researchers have found that its middle depths have warmed 15 times faster in the last 60 years than they did during apparent natural warming cycles in the previous 10,000.
However, the situation was much less dramatic if one parsed the actual data, as shown in the graphic below (taken from my earlier post) redrawn from Rosenthal’s information. Rather than the modern period being “unprecedented”, on this scale, it looks well within historical ranges.
rosenthal-2013-figure-2c-annotated.png

Figure 2. From Rosenthal et al 2013 Figure 2C. Red- temperature anomaly converted from NOAA Pacific Ocean 0-700m ocean heat content. Cyan – Rosenthal Figure 3B reconstruction (my digitization). Orange trend line shows third comparison from Rosenthal SI, taken from first row in Table S3.
In the course of doing the analysis, I observed that Rosenthal’s Table S3 seemed to be screwed up in multiple ways – as I observed in my post.
In addition, Rosenthal had not archived his data (though he has a pretty good track record of archiving data from previous studies.) I asked him for the data and got fobbed off a number of times. I notified Sciencemag of the problem but got no response. The other day, I noticed that Rosenthal had issued a revised SI at Sciencemag and that the requested data had been filed there. Rosenthal discourteously failed to notify me that he had done so.
Rosenthal’s revised SI also included substantial changes to the Table S3 that I had previously criticized, but did not issue a Corrigendum notice. He said that the “errors
have no bearing on the main conclusions of the paper”. In making these corrections to Table S3 (which still has some puzzles), Rosenthal did not acknowledge Climate Audit’s criticism of this table.
Rather than reviewing the analysis, I’ve posted up the revisions as an update to the earlier post here.



 
NOAA is laughing at you and your corporate mining consultant...and his little blog too.

Steve McIntyre - SourceWatch

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You have posted charts for about 150 years to refute charts of about 9000 years.

You have posted charts for land and ocean surface to refute a chart for ocean only.

For the periods in which there is intersection, there seems to be at least directional agreement.

Are you arguing in favor of Jack's post, against it or just contributing something that's tangently related to the topic without actually touching on the actual point of discussion?
 
Forgive me.

It's from
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v1/n7/full/nclimate1229.html

Like you really care.... It's that nasty published scientific peer reviewed literature that is clearly vastly inferior to your mining consultant denier blogs.



There's not much in this link that actually says anything concrete. It's pretty much like a pile of If's and But's and maybe's and could be's.

From your link:

<snip>
There have been decades, such as 2000–2009, when the observed globally averaged surface-temperature time series shows little increase or even a slightly negative trend1 (a hiatus period).

However, the observed energy imbalance at the top-of-atmosphere for this recent decade indicates that a net energy flux into the climate system of about 1 W m−2 (refs 2, 3) should be producing warming somewhere in the system4, 5.

Here we analyse twenty-first-century climate-model simulations that maintain a consistent radiative imbalance at the top-of-atmosphere of about 1 W m−2 as observed for the past decade.

Eight decades with a slightly negative global mean surface-temperature trend show that the ocean above 300 m takes up significantly less heat whereas the ocean below 300 m takes up significantly more, compared with non-hiatus decades.

The model provides
a plausible depiction of processes in the climate system causing the hiatus periods, and indicates that a hiatus period is a relatively common climate phenomenon and may be linked to La Niña-like conditions.
 
There's not much in this link that actually says anything concrete. It's pretty much like a pile of If's and But's and maybe's and could be's.

From your link:

<snip>
There have been decades, such as 2000–2009, when the observed globally averaged surface-temperature time series shows little increase or even a slightly negative trend1 (a hiatus period).

However, the observed energy imbalance at the top-of-atmosphere for this recent decade indicates that a net energy flux into the climate system of about 1 W m−2 (refs 2, 3) should be producing warming somewhere in the system4, 5.

Here we analyse twenty-first-century climate-model simulations that maintain a consistent radiative imbalance at the top-of-atmosphere of about 1 W m−2 as observed for the past decade.

Eight decades with a slightly negative global mean surface-temperature trend show that the ocean above 300 m takes up significantly less heat whereas the ocean below 300 m takes up significantly more, compared with non-hiatus decades.

The model provides
a plausible depiction of processes in the climate system causing the hiatus periods, and indicates that a hiatus period is a relatively common climate phenomenon and may be linked to La Niña-like conditions.

And his unsourced graph, the point of my challenge, is nowhere to be found. It's like he made it up. You don't think that could be true, do you?:peace
 
Yes, it does.
You probably just don't have access behind the paywall.



It might be courteous, then, to cut and paste the image and the surrounding verbiage and post that image.
 
It might be courteous, then, to cut and paste the image and the surrounding verbiage and post that image.

Please note that the significant graphics were presented outside the paywall. They did not include his unsourced graph.:peace
 
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