So, is it possible some Mormons are saved? (1 Viewer)

[LittleNipper]

The Bible is a weird and poorly written collection of iron age fiction and fables.

Try to look at it rationally.

I don't see that the Bible is written poorly at all. In fact, the book of Mormon (if anything) demonstrates that the Bible is superior to what is written throughout Mormonism.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

I don't see that the Bible is written poorly at all. In fact, the book of Mormon (if anything) demonstrates that the Bible is superior to what is written throughout Mormonism.

Mormonism started out as a scam to relieve a bunch of illiterate rubes of their cash for a "New Bible." Little did they realize their grift would take on a life of its own. Next thing they knew, the frontman, the charismatic Joseph Smith had a devoted following. So, they ran with it. An entire theology based on whole cloth. It's working to this day.

Doubt this? Look up the genealogies of the members of the boards of directors of any of the secular enterprises owned by the Mormon Church. The vast majority have either blood or marital ties to the top leadership of the church. Pure nepotism. In other words, the entire church (11-15 million) is designed for the benefit of a couple of dozen families.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

I'm in agreement with the article that follows. My personal opinion is that if a Mormon becomes saved, he will in fact find himself uneasy with his surroundings and will eventually be led away from that organization. Please note the following: https://www.str.org/w/is-it-possible-some-mormons-are-saved-

"If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved"-Romans 10:9

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

Mormonism started out as a scam to relieve a bunch of illiterate rubes of their cash for a "New Bible."

And to convince the illierate ladyrubes to have threesomes and foursomes with him of course.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

And to convince the illierate ladyrubes to have threesomes and foursomes with him of course.

Actually, that came later as Smith's ambitions and appetites grew. Smith was in the habit of sending the faithful husbands away on missions and he would convince the wife that his amorous advances were to take care of 'her needs' while her husband was away doing God's work.

 

[beefheart]

Is it possible that some evangelicals have brains? Nahhh...

 

[NolanVoyd]

I don't see that the Bible is written poorly at all.

That is your bias not your reason speaking.

The fact that there are thousands of denominations that all claim to be following the same book but dont agree on what it means proves it.

In fact, the book of Mormon (if anything) demonstrates that the Bible is superior to what is written throughout Mormonism.

Lol.

Nah, that's what they all say.

You realize that right?

 

[Metanoia]

To me the original question is silly…..God is in charge…His decision…..it should not be hard to find many, many humble Mormons. Our Bible tells us that God gives grace to the humble…..we demean God to say that He does not have the power to save….

 

[Logician Man]

So, is it possible some Mormons are saved?​

According to biblical scripture, the answer is 'YES'.

100 Bible Verses about With God All Things Are Possible​

Matthew 19:26​

But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

 

[Daisy]

"If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved"-Romans 10:9

Belief requires actions in concurrence with that belief...

"The one who exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; the one who disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him." John 3:36

 

[maquiscat]

You are not comprehending the entire picture. Everyone is headed for either heaven or hell, and children grow up to be adults who will either go to heaven or hell according to where their faith lies. Life is but a flower that soon withers, dies, and afterwards come the judgment. After sin entered into creation, everything became corrupted and progressively distorted. And yes, even the DNA pool was and is getting worse. GOD sees the entire picture and the nation of Israel was to be an illustration of salvation to the rest of the world, and all the various holy days were to to illustrate CHRIST. Yes, I do believe that the sins of the father can be passed on to the SON, but CHRIST can and does overcome such corruption...

Nice try, but God changed that long prior to the Christ's coming

Ezekiel 18:20 (NIV)- The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.

That wasn't the Christ overcoming that. That was put out long before he came to this earth and became the sacrifice. Also hell is not a biblical concept. Dante gave us that. Biblically speaking, souls that don't measure up are destroyed, not tormented for eternity.

 

[Brack]

"If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved"-Romans 10:9

Yes, Paul was likely the only NT author that believed in the "once saved, always saved" doctrine.

 

[Brack]

I don't see that the Bible is written poorly at all. In fact, the book of Mormon (if anything) demonstrates that the Bible is superior to what is written throughout Mormonism.

Not much of Mormonism is found within the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith's beliefs and theology changed a bit after he produced the BofM.

 

[Daisy]

Will be...future tense...

Modern Translations New International Version If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. New Living Translation If you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. English Standard Version because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Berean Study Bible that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. New American Standard Bible that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

 

[Brack]

@Daisy Paul doesn't use the future tense within Ephesians.

Ephesians 2 (New King James Version)
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

 

[Daisy]

Does the Bible Teach ‘Once Saved, Always Saved’?​

The Bible’s answer​

No, it does not teach the doctrine of ‘once saved, always saved.’ A person who has gained salvation by faith in Jesus Christ can lose that faith and the salvation that comes with it. The Bible says that maintaining faith requires great effort, a “hard fight.” (Jude 3, 5) Early Christians who had already accepted Christ were told: “Keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”—Philippians 2:12.

Bible verses that disprove the teaching of ‘once saved, always saved’​

The Bible warns against serious sins that will keep a person from entering God’s Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11; Galatians 5:19-21) If salvation could not be lost, such warnings would be meaningless. Instead, the Bible shows that someone who has been saved can fall away by returning to a practice of serious sin. For example, Hebrews 10:26 states: “If we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left.”—Hebrews 6:4-6; 2 Peter 2:20-22.

Jesus emphasized the importance of maintaining faith by giving an illustration in which he likened himself to a vine and his followers to branches on that vine. Some of them would at one time demonstrate faith in him by their fruits, or actions, yet would later fail to do so and be “thrown out like a [fruitless] branch,” losing their salvation. (John 15:1-6) The apostle Paul used a similar illustration, saying that Christians who do not maintain their faith “will be lopped off.”—Romans 11:17-22.

Christians are commanded to “keep on the watch.” (Matthew 24:42; 25:13) Those who fall asleep spiritually, whether by practicing “works belonging to darkness” or by not fully performing the works that Jesus commanded, lose their salvation.—Romans 13:11-13; Revelation 3:1-3.

Many scriptures show that those who have been saved must still endure faithfully to the end. (Matthew 24:13; Hebrews 10:36; 12:2, 3; Revelation 2:10) First-century Christians expressed joy when they learned that fellow believers were enduring in their faith. (1 Thessalonians 1:2, 3; 3 John 3, 4) Does it seem reasonable that the Bible would stress faithful endurance if those who did not endure would be saved anyway?Only when his death was imminent did the apostle Paul feel that his salvation was assured. (2 Timothy 4:6-8) Earlier in his life, he recognized that he could still miss out on salvation if he gave in to fleshly desires. He wrote: “I pummel my body and lead it as a slave, so that after I have preached to others, I myself should not become disapproved somehow.”—1 Corinthians 9:27; Philippians 3:12-14.

 

[Daisy]

@Daisy Paul doesn't use the future tense within Ephesians.

Ephesians 2 (New King James Version)
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

There are more scriptures that dispute that doctrine rather than support it...

 

[NolanVoyd]

All of the constant bickering about what the Bible means on threads like this demonstrates that the Bible is nothing but a poorly written collection of iron age fiction and fables.

One would think an actual God could have a better book written.

 

[Daisy]

Why Not Open to Just Any Interpretation?

What would a housewife think of a recipe book that was open to just any interpretation? Or of what benefit would it be to spend money for a dictionary that allowed its reader to interpret the meaning of words just any way he chose? Is that the kind of guidebook we would expect God to give his creatures? Indeed, in such a case, would it even be proper to speak of it as a guidebook?

Honest, God-fearing persons are not interested in twisting the Scriptures “to their own destruction.” (2 Peter 3:16) To avoid doing this, they find all the scriptures dealing with the subject they are trying to understand. When scriptures are found that clearly contradict previously held views, those views are quickly discarded, as they cannot be correct.

How good it is to know that the Bible is not open to just any interpretation. When we allow its Author to interpret it for us, it is truly “beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness.” Then, and only then, will it make us “fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.”—2 Timothy 3:16, 17.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1988920

 

[LittleNipper]

Not much of Mormonism is found within the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith's beliefs and theology changed a bit after he produced the BofM.

Correct: however, that is nowhere the corruption begins. Other works are as follows: “Selections from the Book of Moses,” “The Book of Abraham,” “Joseph Smith—Matthew,” “Joseph Smith—History,” and “The Articles of Faith.”
Mr. Smith died a rather young man and I feel that GOD brought his demise about. Because I feel that Mr. Smith was digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself and GOD is merciful.

 

[Metanoia]

Why Not Open to Just Any Interpretation?


How good it is to know that the Bible is not open to just any interpretation. When we allow its Author to interpret it for us, it is truly “beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness.” Then, and only then, will it make us “fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.”—2 Timothy 3:16, 17.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1988920

I assume that you mean by author you mean God/Jesus/HS ? Jesus interpreted, what, 2 Parables ? It is there for our interpretation….and to do that we must become spiritual and not religious. It is simply not given for many to understand…re the Parables. God is protecting that which is holy…..if everything was simply given to us we would be without reason to seek thr Holy Spirit……

 

[Daisy]

I assume that you mean by author you mean God/Jesus/HS ? Jesus interpreted, what, 2 Parables ? It is there for our interpretation….and to do that we must become spiritual and not religious. It is simply not given for many to understand…re the Parables. God is protecting that which is holy…..if everything was simply given to us we would be without reason to seek thr Holy Spirit……

Actually he told well over 30...

 

[Metanoia]

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Actually he told well over 30...

‘He’ is who ?

 

[phoenix2020]

What would they be saved from, or need be saved from?

Probably the immigrants?

 

[phoenix2020]

We (CHRISTians) are filled with the HOLY SPIRIT. I don't know what YOU are filled with.

Actually you're mostly filled with water.