Making fun aside, a miscarriage in and of itself does not constitute evidence of a crime.
As I understand it, many women don't even realize that their child has died, so just to be safe, this 911 call should be made anytime a woman menstruates after having had sex.
What do y'all think?
Why not?
A child has died, according to prolifers.
Doesn't anybody even care enough to investigate the death of a helpless innocent child?
If a 5-year-old dies, do we just flush him down the toilet and say nothing?
Why would the death of an unborn child require no report, no investigation, since the prolifers on this forum are always insisting fetuses are the equivalent of born individuals?
When Grandpa kicks the bucket, they aren't (likely) going to dust your place.
If a 5 year old died of being miscarried, we should definately investigate it.
When a 90 year old dies of apparently natural causes... do we investigate it? No. Why? Because a 90 year old dying of apparently natural causes is not in and of itself evidence of a crime. Let's not pretend that every death is investigated. When Grandpa kicks the bucket, they aren't going to dust your place.
well, would you at least get a death certificate, hold a funeral, get the fetus cremated, maybe scatter its ashes in its favourite corner of the womb
If a 5 year old died of being miscarried, we should definately investigate it.
When a 90 year old dies of apparently natural causes... do we investigate it? No. Why? Because a 90 year old dying of apparently natural causes is not in and of itself evidence of a crime. Let's not pretend that every death is investigated. When Grandpa kicks the bucket, they aren't going to dust your place.
Just in case you are making light.
I have had two cousins so far who held funerals for their miscarried children.
Their babies were cremated and ceremonies held same as they would have for any other child.
My wife was allowed to hold one of the babies.... and it affected her no differently than would a baby which died shortly after delivery.
They are the same.
It is a miscarriage only up to 20 weeks, after 20 weeks it is a stillbirth. A miscarriage is NOT the same as a stillbirth, and a stillbirth is NOt the same as losing a born child to death.
Just in case you are making light.
I have had two cousins so far who held funerals for their miscarried children.
Their babies were cremated and ceremonies held same as they would have for any other child.
My wife was allowed to hold one of the babies.... and it affected her no differently than would a baby which died shortly after delivery.
They are the same.
i can understand that, an emotional bond does form, whether the baby is born or not, but my satire was more directed at the argument for giving the unborn child legal personhood, yet not have a death certificate, and all the paperwork and legal processes that happen when a person dies, you make a fetus a person, and you'll need to investigate every stillbirth and miscarriage to make sure its not a case of criminal negligence on the mothers part, ascertain cause of death, and all that crap.
Abortion was illegal until 1973. Noone got investigated for a miscarriage.
Like Eco said,.. we have had abortion illegal in the States before and this was not the case.
Neither is it the case in other countries where elective abortion is already illegal.
You're attempting to fear monger or at the very least introduce a red herring (fallacious) argument.
And we aint buying it.
if people were trying to make abortion illegal 'cause they thought it was immoral, or whatever, then i'd be making a fallacy, but you try to push anti-abortion laws because you think it's murdering the fetus, thereby granting it personhood, you can't do a half-arsed job of making it a person.
Personhood is recognized,.... not granted.
I don't have a box of "personhood" on the shelf waiting for me to find someone or something to give it (grant it) to.
bloody semantics, i changed it just for you
If a 5 year old died of being miscarried, we should definately investigate it.
When a 90 year old dies of apparently natural causes... do we investigate it? No. Why? Because a 90 year old dying of apparently natural causes is not in and of itself evidence of a crime. Let's not pretend that every death is investigated. When Grandpa kicks the bucket, they aren't going to dust your place.
Abortion was illegal until 1973. Noone got investigated for a miscarriage.
If Grandpa kicks the bucket and instead of calling 911 you chop up his remains and flush them down the toilet, that is a crime, even if he died of natural causes.
I think this begs the question; "In the absense of calling 911, calling the cops or coroner, etc... does the 'person' that was cease to exist?"
In other words,.. like Prom likes to whine about from time to time about the census and birth certificates,....
"Did people (persons) exist prior to the implimentation of such devices?"
If your answer is yes,... then introducing 911 calls, funerals, the coroner and all that other noise is nothing more than a non sequitor or a red herring to the debate. As none of those things have any direct bearing on whether or not a new person's life begins at conception.
A 'failure to recognize' does not mean something doesn't exist.
I did not suggest that 911 calls and coroners etc... had any effect on the existence of a person. Quite the contrary. The premise of this thread assumes that the unborn is a person and that aborting them is murder. The debate here is whether people other than archaeologists, the Medical Examiner's office, law enforcement, or a licensed mortician should be allowed to disturb, move, remove or destroy human remains.
It can't really be a red herring, since it is in fact the topic of the thread.
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