So about that health care bill and its cost...

[Deuce]

From the CBO here

CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) estimate that enacting both pieces of legislation will produce a net reduction in federal deficits of $143 billion over the 2010-2019 period.

And from here: http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc10781/11-30-Premiums.pdf

Table 1 shows that premiums on average would drop 7-10% for nongroup coverage, 1-4% for small group coverage, and negligible effect for large group coverage.

Interesting stuff, and completely different from what the GOP has been saying lately.

 

[Renae]

I got a bridge in Detroit that connects San Fran and DC to sell ya, it's real cheap.

 

[Josie]

When has any government entitlement program ultimately cost the same or lower than they claimed?

 

[Renae]

When has any government entitlement program ultimately cost the same or lower than they claimed?

Don't you know ANYTHING? All past failures someone got it wrong somewhere, THIS time they'll get it right, trust them.

 

[Josie]

Don't you know ANYTHING? All past failures someone got it wrong somewhere, THIS time they'll get it right, trust them.

You are sooooo right. How stupid I am! :doh

I vow to trust all government officials....I mean....all Democrat officials (except the ones who side with conservatives). All non-conservative Democrats never tell lies, distort the truth or are power-hungry. George Washington <3 progressives. (Repeat 3x).

 

[Deuce]

When has any government entitlement program ultimately cost the same or lower than they claimed?

This isn't an entitlement program. The health care is all delivered by private industry. Subsidies are paid to private insurance companies.

Or do you think the bread you buy at the grocery store is an entitlement program? That's subsidized you know.

Referring to social security/medicare/etc, the costs of those go up because our demographics change over time. Private industry costs have gone up too, the difference is they aren't held accountable for it.

It's hilarious, just recentl conservatives were dancing around their mis-reading of the CBO estimates yelling "SEE! SEE! OBAMACARE WILL COST US BILLIONS AND RAISE PREMIUMS!" Now that you see that such statements are wrong, you just go and attack the same source you were yourselves using before.

I've said it about a million times. Purchasing insurance from private insurance isn't socialism, it isn't a government takeover, and neither are subsidies paid to private industry. Do you guys have your own dictionary or something?

 

[Renae]

This isn't an entitlement program. The health care is all delivered by private industry. Subsidies are paid to private insurance companies.

This right here, shows either supreme gullibility, or willful ignorance

 

[Areopagitican]

Considering that the WH projects Obama-era deficiets of 10 trillion; the CBO (and the Dem/GOPs) is just debating a rounding error.

 

[Deuce]

This right here, shows either supreme gullibility, or willful ignorance

So what you're saying is that subsidies are entitlements?

 

[ptif219]

So is this from cutting doctors payments from government programs like medicare and medicaid? This will hurt much more than it will help

 

[Deuce]

So is this from cutting doctors payments from government programs like medicare and medicaid? This will hurt much more than it will help

The documents explain all of this in great detail.

 

[ptif219]

The documents explain all of this in great detail.

The explanation will not be the reality of the facts

 

[Deuce]

The explanation will not be the reality of the facts

So the CBO goes through the bill carefully and actually calculates the effects of each part, but you refuse to even read their projections when you suspect it will contradict your personal predictions of the future.

I don't find this sort of thing surprising anymore.

 

[ptif219]

So the CBO goes through the bill carefully and actually calculates the effects of each part, but you refuse to even read their projections when you suspect it will contradict your personal predictions of the future.

I don't find this sort of thing surprising anymore.

It cuts billions from medicare which means doctors will make less and refuse to accept medicare

 

[Deuce]

It cuts billions from medicare which means doctors will make less and refuse to accept medicare

So now you're accepting the CBO estimate again? Besides, aren't you guys the ones who rail about those damned entitlement programs?

In any case, most of the Medicare cuts are in the form of eliminating waste like Medicare Advantage plans or fraud prevention measures. How many doctors drop Medicare remains to be seen.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

From the CBO here



And from here: http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc10781/11-30-Premiums.pdf

Table 1 shows that premiums on average would drop 7-10% for nongroup coverage, 1-4% for small group coverage, and negligible effect for large group coverage.

Interesting stuff, and completely different from what the GOP has been saying lately.

So how are we going to pay for Medicare now?
What are we going to do about the states dropping out of the high risk pool?
What happens after 2019?

Don't get to happy to quick.
"Those figures do not include potential costs that would be funded through future appropriations (those are discussed on pages 10-11 of the cost estimate)."

Congressional Budget Office - Health Care

So many questions to be answered.

 

[ptif219]

So now you're accepting the CBO estimate again? Besides, aren't you guys the ones who rail about those damned entitlement programs?

In any case, most of the Medicare cuts are in the form of eliminating waste like Medicare Advantage plans or fraud prevention measures. How many doctors drop Medicare remains to be seen.

Part of medicare cuts are doctors fees. This will do more harm than good


http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/720315


Physicians once again have dodged a financial bullet. The Senate today voted 59 to 38 to delay a 21.2% Medicare pay cut from April 1 to June 1 — the third such delay this year.

The postponement of the massive reduction in Medicare reimbursement was part of a larger bill that extends expired unemployment compensation benefits and subsidies for health insurance premiums for out-of-work Americans under the COBRA program.

Organized medicine has warned that if it materializes, the Medicare pay cut will force many physicians to close their doors to not only seniors but also military families, whose TRICARE coverage is based on Medicare rates.

The original version of the bill passed today would have made May 1 the new effective date, but an amendment offered by Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT) tacked on an extra month for all the bill's provisions.

The measure now will go to the House, where approval is expected. Earlier this year, the House passed a version of the legislation that delayed the Medicare pay cut to May 1.