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That's not anyone else's problem. Me and misterman have challenged you with logical debate, and you responded by talking about how angry you are that someone has dared to challenge your beliefs. This is a debate forum. Get used to this. If you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen.My contempt is greater than yours. I simply cannot express it!:lamo
I've never really lived around smoke, so the smell bothers me.I lived with a chain smoker for 18 years of my life, you do not notice the smell as much as someone who is not around it a regular basis. It is not the smell that bothered me growing up it was the smoke being in face and breathing in the smoke.
exposure to VOCs from cleaning products
Children are at particular risk for health problems from inhaling VOCs, because they breathe in more air with respect to their body mass than adults and thus have greater exposure to indoor environmental pollutants.
10 percent (27.5 million people) of the US population at risk for health problems, such as coughing, eye irritation, headaches, asthma, allergies, and in rare cases Legionnaire’s disease, carbon monoxide poisoning and cancer.
you got the balls to demand "Density Hours" stats.
Long term would probably be defined as being with a smoker for months and even years on end.K, so what is "long term"? What is the exposure time? Short term has philological responses, but are those damaging or temporary? What are the concentrations required? Does walking through a cloud of smoke have the same potential of harm as being in a car with a smoker? What is the realized increase in risk? 1%, 10%, 56%? How does that realized increase in risk correlate to exposure time? Is there a graph? That would be helpful.
Now it's your turn, Ikari. Show the cost of preventing smoking in the car as opposed to the benefits. Show why the government's involvement in such matters would lead to a communist dictatorship. I want graphs and statistics
Why? That would be an exceedingly helpful metric. Everyone says it increases risk this and that; but no one says BY HOW MUCH. If there is this much research, there must be some graphs, yes? Let's see them. I like graphs.
I grew up with a parent who smoked in the car, and I've had respiratory issues the rest of my life because of it. Smoking around children in this manner is child abuse. It's bad enough to do it in your home, but at least there the kid can go to a different room if they are really suffocating. In a car there is nowhere to go.
If a parent was spraying aerosols onto their kid you would call it abusive, yet it's ok to exhale toxic tobacco smoke into a tiny space where children are? I don't think so.
I don't think a law for this will do much good and I dislike authority more than I dislike smokers, but I really think hot-boxing your car with cigarettes while there are children in there is immoral and it's enough to warrant the involvement of social services.
Both me and Removable Mind have provided reason for it. You just chose to ignore it. And yes, you never said dictatorship, but you were talking about cameras around the house. And I'm perfectly willing to promote regulations about food standards and auto emissions, but libertarians such as yourself will fight these regulations every step of the way.I never said communist dictatorship. But if we want to excuse the increase in government force, there must be proof and reason for it. And if these are all "won't somebody please think of the children" arguments; why just smoking?
tobacco is legal.
until its illegal, folks have the right to smoke in their own home or in their car.
i do not mind people wanting to smoke in the car, when i do care is when they are putting a child at risk, smoke is bad for a person, and the children do not have a choice, they have to take it even if they do not want it. I do not see why anybody would ever not like this law, unless they enjoy putting children in danger.
Earlier today I heard a conversation about Arkansas, and the illegality of smoking in cars with the windows up. According to them, it's illegal to smoke in a car with children that are, iirc, 6 years of age or younger? I don't know which law this is, and have beeb searching for it to find out exactly what the law entails.
I have this link that seems to support the conversation I heard: Law on smoking in car with children could change Arkansas - The Debate Team - BabyCenter
Assuming this is true, I have no problem with the law.
In fact, I'd like to see smoking in cars with the windows up completely banned, because I've heard 2nd/3rd-hand smoke is pretty dangerous.
Would you like to see this law applied for the whole country? What do you think?
by that logic, we should also make it illegal to smoke in your home when there are children around.
Why do I care what you do to your kids? There are legal restrictions on age of smoking and blah blah blah. But I don't see how forcing kids to smoke follows from the argument. Rather it seems like an absurd hyperbole to deflect from the topic.
Yes. Lots of people say this and that is bad; but aggregate it. It has harmful chemicals, how much are actually inhaled as second hand? If a kid is in 1 car ride with an adult who smokes 1 cigarette, quantify the damage done. I've seen kids raised in the house of smokers, been in cars when I was a kid with smokers. I ain't dead. And I ain't any more or less healthy than I would have been without that exposure.
Nothing should be done by you or by the government. My car, my kids, my problem. Not yours. Mind your own business. That's what I say.
I don't know. You want to put fast food on the list for the next thread to open?
And now we should put cameras in the house, to make sure. I mean, think of the children won't you?
err...how many kids have died due to second-hand smoke?
tobacco is legal.
until its illegal, folks have the right to smoke in their own home or in their car.
err...how many kids have died due to second-hand smoke?
How do you know this? It may be hard for some to believe because I was an elite athlete when I was younger, but I sufferred childhood asthma due to my parents both smoking. One of the reasons I got into sports in the first place was to get out of the house so I didn't have to be subjected to the smoke. Fortunately, my parents allowed it and I lived close enough to both my schools and the public library to pull it off. Not everyone is so fortunate.
Nothing should be done by you or by the government. My car, my kids, my problem. Not yours. Mind your own business. That's what I say.
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