Smith and Wesson moves HQs from Massachusetts to Tennessee

[Rich2018]

Teaching racist policies to school children shouldn't be allowed in school. Which is why it's being banned in many states.

Remember, it's about being anti-racist that the left so squaks about.

What "racist policies" ?

 

[Roadvirus]

Odd that you would bring up a black person.

Well, not really.

Nothing to do with her skin tone. Her opinion of those who oppose CRT are a carbon copy of yours.

 

[Rich2018]

Funny thing is the gunners think this is some grand battle between pro-gun states the ones with gun control. Stupid. It's a battle between educated and clever verses uneducated and ignorant--meaning low skilled, cheap wage folks, which Tennessee has millions of.

It's about $

Mass has been shipping mfg to places with cheaper labor for 30 ****ing years. Idiots need to get a clue.

Don't forget Harley Davidson recently closed it's US plant in order to build it's motorbikes in Mexico.

 

[RF667799]

Don't forget Harley Davidson recently closed it's US plant in order to build it's motorbikes in Mexico.

Link?

 

[Maidenrules29]

What "racist policies" ?

Teaching small children through a bastardized version of CRT that white people are all "opressors"

 

[j brown's body]

God, imagine living in an enlightened place like Masschussetts and then get told your job is moving to Tennessee? White supremacy in the classrooms, women deprived of their basic right to control their own bodies, transecuals targeted. Man, what a hell hole.

 

[j brown's body]

Teaching small children through a bastardized version of CRT that white people are all "opressors"

Like this? The horror!

Ruby Bridges Children’s Book Now Labeled ‘Critical Race Theory’ by Parent Groups in Tenn. (Video)

A children’s book about Ruby Bridges integrating a New Orleans school has been labeled “critical race theory” by conservative parents in Tennessee, who claim that its portrayal of an angry white crowd treats white people too harshly and doesn’t show them being redeemed in the end.

blackamericaweb.com

 

[Maidenrules29]

God, imagine living in an enlightened place like Masschussetts and then get told your job is moving to Tennessee? White supremacy in the classrooms, women deprived of their basic right to control their own bodies, transecuals targeted. Man, what a hell hole.

A link to white supremacy being taught in schools there? Violence against transsexuals?

 

[Maidenrules29]

Like this? The horror!

Ruby Bridges Children’s Book Now Labeled ‘Critical Race Theory’ by Parent Groups in Tenn. (Video)

A children’s book about Ruby Bridges integrating a New Orleans school has been labeled “critical race theory” by conservative parents in Tennessee, who claim that its portrayal of an angry white crowd treats white people too harshly and doesn’t show them being redeemed in the end.

blackamericaweb.com

Yes. EXACTLY like that. Do you disagree with,

......because it depicts “white people as dangerous or oppressive or people of color as weak and oppressed,” and “teaches children ‘victim mentality.’”

Or,

“Anytime that anything is taught that makes a child feel ashamed over something he or she has no control over — like his skin color or gender — then critical race theory is being taught,” Daniels said. “I thought we were supposed to teach our children to not pay attention to what critical race theory wants them to focus on. We need to teach people to become overcomers, not victims, not to be oppressed.”

 

[CaughtInThe]

"Smith & Wesson was founded by Horace Smith and Daniel B. Wesson as the "Smith & Wesson Revolver Company" in 1856 after their previous company, also called the "Smith & Wesson Company" and later renamed as "Volcanic Repeating Arms", was sold to Oliver Winchester and became the Winchester Repeating Arms Company. The modern Smith & Wesson had been previously owned by Bangor Punta and Tomkins plc before being acquired by Saf-T-Hammer Corporation in 2001. Smith & Wesson was a unit of American Outdoor Brands Corporation from 2016 to 2020, until the company was spun out in 2020."



"Bangor Punta Corporation (traded on the NYSE under the symbol BNK) was an American conglomerate and Fortune 500 company in existence from 1964 to 1984. The corporation was a result of the merger of the Punta Alegre Sugar and Railroad Company, formerly of Cuba, and the Bangor and Aroostook Railroad of Maine."



"Tomkins plc was a multinational engineering company headquartered in London, United Kingdom. In July 2010 Tomkins was acquired by a Canadian consortium of private equity firm Onex Corporation and the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board."

 

[Common Sense 1]

Since 1852, S&W has been based in Springfield Mass. Due to the anti gun environment in that heavily blue state, S&W has announced it is moving its HQ and some of its production to Tennessee. Interestingly, for years, the Democratic Party Congressional representative that had S&W in his/her district, tended to support Smith's bids for government contracts because of the Union that represented the Smith workers.

https://ir.smith-wesson.com/node/16831/pdf

A great decision to move from a anti-gun state. Tennessee will welcome them and their money/jobs to the state.

 

[Glitch]

America was best when it's union membership was highest.
I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...

If that were even remotely true then unions would be thriving today. However, the exact opposite it happening. Private unions only represent 15% of the work-force today, and after the Supreme Court decision in Janus v. American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, Council 31, No. 16-1466, 585 U.S. ___ (2018), unions are dwindling quickly.

It would not surprise me to see private unions completely disappear within the next decade. They have outlived their usefulness.

 

[Grand Mal]

If that were even remotely true then unions would be thriving today. However, the exact opposite it happening. Private unions only represent 15% of the work-force today, and after the Supreme Court decision in Janus v. American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, Council 31, No. 16-1466, 585 U.S. ___ (2018), unions are dwindling quickly.

It would not surprise me to see private unions completely disappear within the next decade. They have outlived their usefulness.

Post #87...

Remember when anything an American wanted or needed was Made In America? Top quality stuff, too- Made In Japan was a euphemism for cheap junk. A single working-class income was enough to buy a home and medical coverage and pension benefits were part of the union contracts. Families took annual holidays and bright children could reasonably expect to go to university.
Then what happened? Manufacturing was lured south by right-to-work laws and even further south by even cheaper labour in Mexican border Maquiladora zones, then lured again by still cheaper labour in Asian countries. Next thing you know everything is made overseas and it's all cheap junk but cheap junk is all the average working-class American can afford anyway. And company executives are making many hundreds of times what a tradesman on the shop floor makes.

I was a member of Ironworkers local 97 for nearly 30 years. As an apprentice I was indentured to the local union and the apprentice co-ordinator made sure we all got a wide variety of experience rather than spending the whole apprenticeship doing only what one contractor does. Our contractors could call the dispatch hall on Thursday and on Monday morning two connectors, two ground crew and and apprentice would show up, well qualified and ready to go to work. A week later he could call for a plumbing-up and bolting-up crew, maybe a welder or two, with the same convenient results. He could lay off in any order he wanted, he could rehire or name-request or toolbox anyone he wanted to take to the next job and the union took care of pension and benefits and workers comp issues.
Anyone, any working class person anyway, who thinks unions have outlived their usefulness has allowed himself to be convinced to oppose his own best interests.
I've seen how quickly an absence of unions brings back the worst of the pre-union days. It reverts immediately to the same crap that gave rise to unions in the first place.
Trouble is, greedy bastard corporations have relocated so much manufacturing that used to support the world's best standard of living in the USA to third-world countries where most of the people would believe life in a union atmosphere is a fairy tale, an impossibility.

 

[TurtleDude]

God, imagine living in an enlightened place like Masschussetts and then get told your job is moving to Tennessee? White supremacy in the classrooms, women deprived of their basic right to control their own bodies, transecuals targeted. Man, what a hell hole.

why should a firearms maker continue to operate in a state where many of the firearms being made cannot be owned or sold in that state? Why should a firearms maker pay taxes in a state where the politicians generally are hostile to firearms ownership? Your racist and biased attacks on Tennessee demonstrate that your stupid posts cannot be taken seriously.

 

[TurtleDude]

Post #87...


I was a member of Ironworkers local 97 for nearly 30 years. As an apprentice I was indentured to the local union and the apprentice co-ordinator made sure we all got a wide variety of experience rather than spending the whole apprenticeship doing only what one contractor does. Our contractors could call the dispatch hall on Thursday and on Monday morning two connectors, two ground crew and and apprentice would show up, well qualified and ready to go to work. A week later he could call for a plumbing-up and bolting-up crew, maybe a welder or two, with the same convenient results. He could lay off in any order he wanted, he could rehire or name-request or toolbox anyone he wanted to take to the next job and the union took care of pension and benefits and workers comp issues.
Anyone, any working class person anyway, who thinks unions have outlived their usefulness has allowed himself to be convinced to oppose his own best interests.
I've seen how quickly an absence of unions brings back the worst of the pre-union days. It reverts immediately to the same crap that gave rise to unions in the first place.
Trouble is, greedy bastard corporations have relocated so much manufacturing that used to support the world's best standard of living in the USA to third-world countries where most of the people would believe life in a union atmosphere is a fairy tale, an impossibility.

why should a company pay more than it needs to in order to obtain the commodity known as labor. My late father ran a union shop company involved in heavy manufacturing. After he died, the men who took the place over started having the items made off shore. I don't know about the quality-I hear it is still top of the line, but I know that my revenue from my shares has gone way up.

 

[Rich2018]

Teaching small children through a bastardized version of CRT that white people are all "opressors"

Please provide a link to that being taught by anyone.

 

[Rucker61]

Trouble is, greedy bastard corporations have relocated so much manufacturing that used to support the world's best standard of living in the USA to third-world countries where most of the people would believe life in a union atmosphere is a fairy tale, an impossibility.

Its a global market now. US companies couldn't compete against other international companies.

 

[Rich2018]

Its a global market now. US companies couldn't compete against other international companies.

Harley-Davidson has relocated its manufacturing to Mexico....yet plenty of motorbikes are still made in Germany and Japan.

 

[Grand Mal]

why should a company pay more than it needs to in order to obtain the commodity known as labor. My late father ran a union shop company involved in heavy manufacturing. After he died, the men who took the place over started having the items made off shore. I don't know about the quality-I hear it is still top of the line, but I know that my revenue from my shares has gone way up.

In the example I gave the companies gladly pay the union rate for the convenience of getting fully qualified people when needed and for as long as needed. I was a connector so I was on the job from day one-, well, maybe day three because days one and two might have been just the foreman and one guy setting shim stacks on column footings, and after the last piece was spudded into place the contractor could lay me off and my partner and the two guys on the ground hooking on too. There's no seniority thing at work and no justification to anyone needed. It's not required either, there is a non-union sector and any contracter is free to leave the union setting behind and go on their own but It's a one-way door. You can't come back. Best get an in-house apprenticeship program established.
Construction works that way. ABC Steel Erectors might have 75 guys working on a job that'll be finished next month and no place for most of them to go the next day but XYZ Heavy Construction might be starting a job next week that will require 90 people by next month. They just call the hall as they need people and lay off those they don't like or don't need as they go. And as a worker I would just book into the hall when laid off and be called for the next big one.
It works well. For both parties.

 

[TurtleDude]

A link to white supremacy being taught in schools there? Violence against transsexuals?

its trolling bullshit. best laughed at as being dishonest,.

 

[Grand Mal]

Harley-Davidson has relocated its manufacturing to Mexico....yet plenty of motorbikes are still made in Germany and Japan.

Harley outsourced a bunch of production to Thailand too a couple years ago when Trump put tariffs on steel.
They have a customer base that will accept no substitutes but they do have to keep prices competitive.

 

[TurtleDude]

In the example I gave the companies gladly pay the union rate for the convenience of getting fully qualified people when needed and for as long as needed. I was a connector so I was on the job from day one-, well, maybe day three because days one and two might have been just the foreman and one guy setting shim stacks on column footings, and after the last piece was spudded into place the contractor could lay me off and my partner and the two guys on the ground hooking on too. There's no seniority thing at work and no justification to anyone needed. It's not required either, there is a non-union sector and any contracter is free to leave the union setting behind and go on their own but It's a one-way door. You can't come back. Best get an in-house apprenticeship program established.
Construction works that way. ABC Steel Erectors might have 75 guys working on a job that'll be finished next month and no place for most of them to go the next day but XYZ Heavy Construction might be starting a job next week that will require 90 people by next month. They just call the hall as they need people and lay off those they don't like or don't need as they go. And as a worker I would just book into the hall when laid off and be called for the next big one.
It works well. For both parties.

back in the old days, Unions served a useful purpose-specifically they trained and guaranteed quality work. Back in the old days, if a worker was not working out and my father got a report from a supervisor, the normal routine was my father would walk down to one of the union stewards and discuss the issue. Normally that was all that was needed. No one got written up and people were almost never fired. The union realized that it was their job to deliver quality work. I never really had to deal with unions like that. Rather, one of my duties as a DOJ attorney was handling suits against the postal service. There I dealt with several unions. Few of them actually taught a trade or guaranteed good work. But I had a good relationship with the union and the presidents of the locals-NALC APU, etc. If there was a suit and the postal attorneys-who handled the administrative process before it got to federal court-couldn't resolved it, I would normally talk to the union head and see what was up. and in some cases, I'd side with them when they claimed a postal supervisor was out of line and fired someone or suspended them.

the fact is these days, is that global labor markets are making manufacturing unions obsolete and an impediment to companies that have them to compete

 

[Grand Mal]

Its a global market now. US companies couldn't compete against other international companies.

I think you're wrong in a lot of cases. I think American labour has been and still is being sold out.
Making cheap junk? Yeah, nobody could compete with Sri Lanka but European companies still produce quality stuff and pay their people well. A few American companies do too. Still. Examples like Smith and Wesson come to mind but they might be just late to the pattern- move south to a right-to-work environment and the next step is Mexico or China.

 

[Rucker61]

Harley-Davidson has relocated its manufacturing to Mexico....yet plenty of motorbikes are still made in Germany and Japan.

I think you're wrong in a lot of cases. I think American labour has been and still is being sold out.
Making cheap junk? Yeah, nobody could compete with Sri Lanka but European companies still produce quality stuff and pay their people well. A few American companies do too. Still. Examples like Smith and Wesson come to mind but they might be just late to the pattern- move south to a right-to-work environment and the next step is Mexico or China.

I'm thinking televisions, computers, cell phones, toys, clothing, textiles, shoes.

Purely USA-manufacturing only based brands couldn't compete with non-US brands in the global market, and the US market couldn't compete with the prices offered by non-US companies selling goods made overseas.

 

[Lovebug]

Ford is bringing business to TN as well, west TN to be specific. I hope they'll find enough workers.