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But whatever you may think of SlutWalk (and part of the genius of its organizers has been figuring out that “slut” is a search-engine optimizer), one strongly positive thing has emerged from it: a new, energetic cohort of young and feisty feminists are on the move. They’ve used social media to mobilize in a hell of a hurry (the longest part was probably wondering what to wear). And they’ve figured out a way to be front and centre in the public conversation.

SlutWalk started, of course, with poor Michael Sanguinetti, the Toronto cop who now goes down in the annals of feminist history (“Daddy, tell me again how you ended up in the Ms. Magazine Hall of Shame?”) because he suggested that women could avoid being raped if they stopped “dressing like sluts.”

Faster than you could tweet “wearing this dress doesn’t mean yes,” a movement was born, with young women, some dressed in lace bustiers, tight skirts and fishnets, taking to the streets, first in Toronto, and now all over the United States and in the U.K., loudly protesting this blame-the-victim attitude.
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Why SlutWalk raises hackles – and hopes - The Globe and Mail

What are your thoughts on this issue?

My city is having their "Slut Walk" tomorow and I intend to go with some friends. What that police office said about raped women is horrifying and I agree with a protest. Women should be able to wear whatever they want and not expect to be raped for it or to have it used against them if they are raped.
 
What Mr. Sanguinetti really needs is a 10 second timer on his dick. Just sayin.
 
Tashah said:
What Mr. Sanguinetti really needs is a 10 second timer on his dick. Just sayin.
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I think this is silly and unnecessary, and I demand to know exactly what street this will take place on so I can find a good place to sit and watch. So I can, er, protest the silliness. Yes, that's it. :mrgreen:

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I don't know what these women expect to accomplish by this. I fail to see how dressing like street hookers is going draw sympathy to their cause. I guess like the old saying goes, "there's no such thing as bad publicity." I don't fully disagree with what the cop said. Feminists refuse to accept that rape is sexually motivated, and years of propaganda and misinformation has succeeded in convincing the public that it is a crime of power.
 
Graffias said:
I don't know what these women expect to accomplish by this. I fail to see how dressing like street hookers is going draw sympathy to their cause. I guess like the old saying goes, "there's no such thing as bad publicity." I don't fully disagree with what the cop said. Feminists refuse to accept that rape is sexually motivated, and years of propaganda and misinformation has succeeded in convincing the public that it is a crime of power.
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You are completely wrong in this, it is about power, and this has been proven by many psychological studies.
 
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Well in my opinion your star is right,because it is about power, and this has been proven by many psychological studies.So everybody can protest the silliness.this is my thought,what is yours?
 
You are completely wrong in this, it is about power, and this has been proven by many psychological studies.
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Not all psychologists accept these conclusions. Any studies to the contrary since the rise of feminism have been marginalized because it's more politically correct to blame rape on power instead of sex. I do agree, though, that it's ridiculous to put so much emphasis on what clothing a woman wears when determining the likelihood of her being raped. Most women who are raped know their rapists, so they've likely already been seen in many different types of clothing before the rape. But it's absurd to say rape is only a crime of power and that sex has nothing to do with it.
 
Graffias said:
Not all psychologists accept these conclusions. Any studies to the contrary since the rise of feminism have been marginalized because it's more politically correct to blame rape on power instead of sex. I do agree, though, that it's ridiculous to put so much emphasis on what clothing a woman wears when determining the likelihood of her being raped. Most women who are raped know their rapists, so they've likely already been seen in many different types of clothing before the rape. But it's absurd to say rape is only a crime of power and that sex has nothing to do with it.
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Will need to see those studies.
 
Will need to see those studies.
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I would start with a "A Natural History of Rape" by Randy Thornhill and Craig T Palmer. Also, "Investigating Sexual Coercion", by Del Thiessen and Robert Young of the University of Texas, and "A Synthesized (Biosocial) Theory of Rape", by Lee Ellis of Minot State University. This is just the tip of the iceberg, though. There's numerous studies that you can find if you do enough research. Many of the authors of the these studies have censored themselves because they fear losing their research grants as a result of a feminist backlash.
 
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Graffias said:
I would start with a "A Natural History of Rape" by Randy Thornhill and Craig T Palmer. Also, "Investigating Sexual Coercion", by Del Thiessen and Robert Young of the University of Texas, and "A Synthesized (Biosocial) Theory of Rape", by Lee Ellis of Minot State University. This is just the tip of the iceberg, though. There's numerous studies that you can find if you do enough research. Many of the authors of the these studies have censored themselves because they fear losing their research funding as a result of a feminist backlash.
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Thank you. That was a really good, well thought-out post.
 
Where's CaptainCourtesy when you need him. He know almost everything. He's a shrink, ya know?
 
Adelaide said:
Why SlutWalk raises hackles – and hopes - The Globe and Mail

What are your thoughts on this issue?

My city is having their "Slut Walk" tomorow and I intend to go with some friends. What that police office said about raped women is horrifying and I agree with a protest. Women should be able to wear whatever they want and not expect to be raped for it or to have it used against them if they are raped.
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Yeah, this has been discussed at length on the forum. I think that these people are probably being a bit outrageous in taking what the cop had said the wrong way and are going for this "slut walk". I think the whole idea behind the slutwalk is stupid drama queen crap and I wish these sorts of folk would just go to work and do something productive instead of protesting all over the place like a bunch of dirty hippies.
 
You can't rape a woman that dresses like that. They want it. Deep inside, they want it.

Pun intended.
 
Adelaide said:
My city is having their "Slut Walk" tomorow and I intend to go with some friends. What that police office said about raped women is horrifying and I agree with a protest. Women should be able to wear whatever they want and not expect to be raped for it or to have it used against them if they are raped.
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I think your time would be better spend volunteering at a rape crisis center or being involved in helping women "rape-proof" themselves through common sense and self-defense training.
 
Or let them carry guns. I don't care how much you bench - if a woman puts a slug between your eyes, you just got equalized.
 
Gipper said:
Or let them carry guns. I don't care how much you bench - if a woman puts a slug between your eyes, you just got equalized.
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I'm not a weapon wielder, but I do agree. Women should assume responsibility for their own protection. What this means, in practice, is pretty diverse. Not only should you keep an eye on your surroundings, your belongings, and especially--your drink, but you should be very aware of your person and potential threats.

One thing that bothers me about the rape dialogue is this: In our zeal to excuse the victim of a rape from being responsible for the rape, we often feel uncomfortable about pointing out the ways in which that woman made her self vulnerable to a largely opportunistic crime.

You're not responsible for the guy who robs you at gunpoint, but you are responsible for walking down that dark alley alone. You're not responsible for the man who raped you, but you are responsible for leaving a bar with a stranger, inviting a stranger into your home, or not taking sufficient precautions for your own safety.

The exception to this is an incapacitated/elderly victim who is raped or robbed by a caregiver.
 
Very well put. Very.

It's our society putting down your gender anyways. Personally, I find the phrase "treated like a woman" to be incredibly condescending. When I open a door for someone, it's out of courtesy, not because I'm treating someone "like a woman". That makes it sound like she's incapable of doing something herself.

It's the status quo to believe that women are helpless, and need a man to protect them. If you ask me, that's sexist.
 
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I'm not a weapon wielder, but I do agree. Women should assume responsibility for their own protection. What this means, in practice, is pretty diverse. Not only should you keep an eye on your surroundings, your belongings, and especially--your drink, but you should be very aware of your person and potential threats.

One thing that bothers me about the rape dialogue is this: In our zeal to excuse the victim of a rape from being responsible for the rape, we often feel uncomfortable about pointing out the ways in which that woman made her self vulnerable to a largely opportunistic crime.

You're not responsible for the guy who robs you at gunpoint, but you are responsible for walking down that dark alley alone. You're not responsible for the man who raped you, but you are responsible for leaving a bar with a stranger, inviting a stranger into your home, or not taking sufficient precautions for your own safety.

The exception to this is an incapacitated/elderly victim who is raped or robbed by a caregiver.
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The more people who can point this out as well as you did, the easier it is for me to follow the logic of giving the women the ability to empower or re-empower themselves. Not about judgment, which is exactly what Goshin was saying, but because it came across a different way (to start with) it felt like blaming the victim. We're already covered on that front ourselves, what with all the self-blame that generally follows.
 
BDBoop said:
The more people who can point this out as well as you did, the easier it is for me to follow the logic of giving the women the ability to empower or re-empower themselves. Not about judgment, which is exactly what Goshin was saying, but because it came across a different way (to start with) it felt like blaming the victim. We're already covered on that front ourselves, what with all the self-blame that generally follows.
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It's interesting when you look at rape statistics, and I have. Some women are raped a lot more than other women. Rape is not spread equitably through society. Poor women, women in dangerous neighborhoods, minority women = much more likely to be raped. Some rape victims are victims of multiple rapes, which then begs the question: why?

It is more complex than the assumptions we make about this crime.
 
I really wonder if the bigger problem in society is how we treat sexually battery as a worse crime then other kinds of battery.

It seems we are coming right out and saying that you should be more embarrassed for this kind of abuse, because we treat it like it was a far worse thing to happen to you.
 
ARealConservative said:
I really wonder if the bigger problem in society is how we treat sexually battery as a worse crime then other kinds of battery.

It seems we are coming right out and saying that you should be more embarrassed for this kind of abuse, because we treat it like it was a far worse thing to happen to you.
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No offense, but I'd rather be punched in the face than be forced to accomodate a violent appropriation of my vagina. I would not be embarrassed by being raped, I'd be pissed off by the sheer violation of it.

Tell me...would you rather be in a fist fight, or be forced down and anally penetrated by another man? Which would be worse for you?
 
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I think you hit some kind of a nail on the head there, but not sure it was the one you intended. I need to think.
 
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