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Simple question, are you okay with the GOP overturning the election and crowning Trump president?

tacomancer said:
That's note a quote, please quote me where I claimed collusion. The claims I have made are already posted.

This whole thing is a strawman that I let you drag out for fun. As I pointed out, you amuse me.
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Why the strawman that I need to quote you? Why don't you just state that you never believed in the Trump campaign conspiracy after the 2016 election? Hum?
 
snakestretcher said:
Trump lost; everyone, including Trump's hand-picked Republicans have concluded so and have agreed there was no fraud worth a damn. Who else do you want to try; God maybe, because that's all Trump has left-praying into thin air.
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Ballots were counted but no ballot was ever examined independently and forensically.:rolleyes:
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Ahh, you want a MASSIVE investigation against Trump and a TINY investigation against election fraud. That's how you so easily "accept" it?
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Don't be ridiculous. The Supreme Court, the Department of Homeland Security, over sixty (60), failed lawsuits and the Electoral College are all in agreement that Trump lost by a huge margin and that there was no electoral fraud. Who else would you like to try?
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Well, the media and big tech have exposed themselves the last 4 years, the evidence is clear and overwhelming. Trump has done an excellent job at getting them to expose themselves. Maybe now the democratic party gets exposed as well, and if they do I don't think they will never recover.

What about the next election in that case? Would be 80% Republican party vs 20% Liberal party. Would be quite the comedy.
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Trump exposed them and then lost the election? Devastating... Why settle for 80%? Dream big and shoot for 90% when fantasizing...
 
cabse5 said:
Why the strawman that I need to quote you? Why don't you just state that you never believed in the Trump campaign conspiracy after the 2016 election? Hum?
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I never explicitly claimed collusion, I claimed illegal and unethical activities. You took your own meaning and made a strawman out of it.

You do realize I investigated the Mueller stuff a long time ago, right? I would not be so uncareful as to go beyond documented results from it.

So you if you had attempted to quote me, you would have not found that quote (except maybe a few years back before all developments were known and I was drawing reasonable conclusions at that time of course).
 
cabse5 said:
Ballots were counted but no ballot was ever examined independently and forensically.:rolleyes:
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How many years do you think it would take to examine millions of ballots, 'forensically'? Ballpark? Let's say it takes, oh, one day to examine just one (a gross underestimate). Extrapolate that and get back to us.

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independentusa said:
It is pretty simple question. Biden won both the popular vote and the Electoral College vote and there has been no proof of fraud or rigging as the court cases, and even Barr have pointed out. With all of that, if the GOP was able to overturn the election and make Trump president, would that have your approval?
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I may be wrong, but doubt the GOP wants the election overturned. They are raising their voices because while we do not evidence of fraud, their are people in jail on less circumstantial proof. It takes time to uncover a crime. Did Democrats stop their search for proof of "Russian collusion" december 2016? Or for that matter several years later, no.

Of course no judge is about to allow a presidential election to be overturned. What is their alternative to find there is reason to have a trial which could go on for months and/or find for the GOP and demand a do-over??

My sense is the honest answer is we don't know. There will be no incentive for the victor to investigate and little power of the defeated to uncover if something happened.
 
IF there is evidence of widespread election and voter fraud why is the REPUBLICAN controlled Senate not investigating, interviewing people or holding hearings? The Senate does not need to legislate an investigation.

I've asked this question numerous times on this site and not one Trump supporter has had the cojones to seriously answer.

"Call the senate" is not a serious answer.
 
A bunch of these people can't even stand that women and minorities and gay people make more money than them. Of course they want the election overturned so that Trump can make him feel better about their own bank accounts and social standing lot in life.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Well, let's put it to the test then and audit the election, if there was no fraud, then a proper investigation is not a problem.
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So what has done so far has not satisfied you? Seems States have gone through checks and verifications before certifying the election results.
Lay out exactly how the audit is to be done, who would do the audit, who decides who does the audit?

It seems you are starting out with the premise, "there was fraud, now we need to prove it.

For Arizona, I am satisfied that the elections was fair. That the election was carried out according to State laws. That the counties have done enough checks in equipment and procedures to validate the results. The small part of the Republican party in AZ led by Kelly Ward is going to end up dividing the Republican Party .
 
snakestretcher said:
How do you audit a computer? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
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Auditing software is quite common practice. I have no clue what you are talking about. Are you saying it's not possible to audit the election?

I think it is.
 
mike2810 said:
The small part of the Republican party in AZ led by Kelly Ward is going to end up dividing the Republican Party .
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Well, it seems quite clear the Republican party IS split already and that both Republicans in congress and the senate WILL challenge the result. Perhaps it will reveal who the real Republicans are as well, and which Republicans are part of the swamp.
 
cabse5 said:
You forgot. Mueller, himself, said there was no evidence the Trump campaign worked with Russians to interfere in the 2016 election.https://thehill.com/policy/national...indings-do-not-conclude-trump-committed-crime

EDIT: Let me get back to your point that proof is needed to start an investigation: Why did the investigation into the Trump campaign after the 2016 election even start when there was no evidence?:rolleyes:
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Mueller also said he couldn't exonerate Trump; so there's that little detail to consider.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Likewise if a court tries to invalidate proper investigations based on technicalities/procedure like you try to invalidate my arguments based on technicalities/procedure, they should be viewed as trying to hinder proper investigations and an audit of the elections. Would reflect poorly on the courts and reduce their future credibility.
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And if that was done and nothing erroneous or suspicious was found you'd still be whining; just like you're whining now. Every agency tasked with ensuring 2020 was secure has found no fraud. It's about time Trump and his minions quit sulking and moved on with whatever remains of their dignity and self-respect.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Well, it seems quite clear the Republican party IS split already and that both Republicans in congress and the senate WILL challenge the result. Perhaps it will reveal who the real Republicans are as well, and which Republicans are part of the swamp.
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They can challenge until they're blue in the face. As of January 20 Biden is President of the United States.
 
snakestretcher said:
They can challenge until they're blue in the face. As of January 20 Biden is President of the United States.
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Well, let's just see what happens with these investigations and hope that they are complete and that the truth comes out either way.

Only the truth matters.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Well, it seems quite clear the Republican party IS split already and that both Republicans in congress and the senate WILL challenge the result. Perhaps it will reveal who the real Republicans are as well, and which Republicans are part of the swamp.
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In your opinion who are the "real Republicans"? Are they the ones who believe the election was a fraud?
 
Excon said:
As it wouldn't be overturning the election, but instead actually enforcing the legal election. Yes.

Not that that's going to happen.
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Happens all the time in places like P
washunut said:
I may be wrong, but doubt the GOP wants the election overturned. They are raising their voices because while we do not evidence of fraud, their are people in jail on less circumstantial proof. It takes time to uncover a crime. Did Democrats stop their search for proof of "Russian collusion" december 2016? Or for that matter several years later, no.

Of course no judge is about to allow a presidential election to be overturned. What is their alternative to find there is reason to have a trial which could go on for months and/or find for the GOP and demand a do-over??

My sense is the honest answer is we don't know. There will be no incentive for the victor to investigate and little power of the defeated to uncover if something happened.
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That is all Trump and the alt-right ask of you - that you be uncertain.

Trump set up such an investigation after the last election and found nothing. Bush did the same, and found virtually nothing. These are not the results they wanted.

It is much more effective for them flood the media with as many fraud, rigged scenarios that they can. The absurdity of them, the outlandish conspiracy theories are fine. The more accusations the better. Their validity is irrelevant. Just flood the media and repeat,, repeat repeat. Overwhelm and confuse the public. Make the public amenable to idea there was fraud. Soften their faith in democracy. Its a dangerous game they play.

But they have lost the popular vote in every head-to-election that doesn't involve an incumbent for over 30 years. And now their incumbent has lost that and the electoral college. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Casting doubt on the Democratic process is a good start. Now their attack on voting can pick up steam.

Lost in all this is that election authorities tell us and the 50 or so law suits bear out is that the election was one of the most secure in history.
 
tacomancer said:
Tell that to Manafort and Stone.
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Accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt, and don't forget Flynn, Giuliani, trump and his whole family who are trying to figure out how to blanket pardon his entire administration...

Someone refresh my memory, who in Obama's administration or family needed a blanket pardon???
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Well, let's just see what happens with these investigations and hope that they are complete and that the truth comes out either way.

Only the truth matters.
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They have already had several investigations. One under Trump, another under Bush. Did the truth not come out then?
 
tacomancer said:
Ok, look at the stuff I highlighted in red.

Again Mueller cited himself multiple times he could not fully pursue the investigations due to DOJ policy, so there is no reason to believe Trump is exonerated of anything.
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It was not only DOJ policy, but as mueller pointed out there were at least ten counts of obstruction of justice that impeded his investigation...
 
mike2810 said:
In your opinion who are the "real Republicans"? Are they the ones who believe the election was a fraud?
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No, the ones who believe in the Republic and the constitution and the people of the US.. Or in other words, it might expose Republicans who are part of the DC swamp.

Just believing the election is a fraud or suspecting fraud and challenging an election to investigate it, are two entirely different things.
 
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