Simple question about January 6th participants

[M1Gringo]

Looks like you've been duped...again.

You'll believe anything.

 

[Lursa]

Did you watch the video of her being shot? She crawled through a small window that had been busted but before she actually go through he shot her and she died. What would I have done? I would have approached her at gunpoint and ordered her to retreat. There was no imminent threat to him or to anyone else.

Answer my question and then I'll answer yours.

She was ordered to retreat and she saw his gun. (Seen on video) She ignored it. So...answer my question.

 

[Lursa]

You'll believe anything.

So you failed and just choose to pretend in your own little world instead of multiple sources proving you wrong.

 

[ataraxia]

There were people there for many reasons some who did not have the best of intentions, others looking to peacefully protest

They were a bunch of pathetically gullible people who fell for the lies of a dangerous, criminal traitor. What they planned to do with those lies was, however, as you suggest, probably widely variable.

I am pretty sure Trump himself was personally hoping for a more violent and effective attack on the US government and democracy.

Oh well. Maybe next time. Last time he was just able to give the country a flesh wound. This time, he will go for the headshot to finish it off.

 

[Chillfolks]

They were a bunch of pathetically gullible people who fell for the lies

The describes a lot of protests that turn violent

 

[RealityNow]

It would have been justified if the military had brought in Apache helicopters gunships and cleared the entire plaza at the House of Congress !!!!! And arrested Trump for inciting them and directing them to go there and to pursue harming and/or killing members of congress and hanging the Vice President.

We would have done no less if it had been foreign terrorist, and we should have done the same to these domestic terrorist who engaged in Treason, sedition, subversion and terrorist attack upon the U.S. Government's Congress in their attempt to enact a Coup D'etat.

People of American should let go of this Idiocy of trying to promote all this Sympathy simply because these were predominantly "white people'....

These are Anti-Democracy Terrorist, who's objective is White Nationalism of Wealthy White Male Authoritarianism Dominance, wrapped within White Nationalist and White Right Wing Evangelist racist bias and bigotry and gender bias and bigotry rooted in Confederacy Ideals.

Not a single on of these Confederacy Devotee tried to stop this barbarian from marching in the U.S. Capitol with a Confederate Flag.
They will not be excused and it can't be white washed over simply because they have white skin.

Any Waffling Liberal Minded as well as any Waffling Republican who claims to be for American Democracy need to stand up and acknowledge the truth.
When most American white people, stop trying to appease these Right Wing Confederate Terrorist,

Then and only then can we get back on track to being a Diversity Respecting America,

An America that RESPECTS The Working Class of Every Race and Ethnicity and Gender.

The people who back Trump still, are not Democracy Respecting People,

THEY ARE Right Wing Confederate Terrorist Race Bigoted and Gender Bias White People,

Trying to Resurrect Jim Crow Styled White Nationalism.

So, people cut the bullshit and face the truth and stop waffling, simply because you see the rabid barbarianism carried out and promote by people with white skin.

If you are not one of them, or a supporter of them, then you should not be trying to appease them simply because they have the same skin color as You.

These people have shown you they don't give a damn about America's Democracy or its Governing System, and they continually tell you, they will kill you as quick or quicker than they will kill any minority or non white ethnic person.

Their kids shoot up your kids in schools and they fight against gun control, because they don't care, that their kids shoot up your kids.

Stop being passively pursuing means to appease them, and Stop getting caught up in their daily narratives.
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If a snake is continually biting you in the ass, you don't try to pet and pamper it.
It's a snake and it will keep biting you
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[DCCougar]

They were disrupting a session of Congress.
They were all insurrectionists.

Not just any session of Congress, either, but a session finalizing the peaceful transfer of presidential power. Even if disrupting the counting of electoral votes wasn't their initial plan for being there, they got caught up in the mass movement and became.... insurrectionists. Sorry Charlie -- if you do the crime, you do the time.

 

[ataraxia]

The describes a lot of protests that turn violent

This was not a protest. It was an insurrection attempt.

 

[Chillfolks]

This was not a protest. It was an insurrection attempt.

I understand that’s is your take, but it was a protest to start with. In the same many of the looting and rioting calamities started as protest also.

 

[DCCougar]

It would have been justified if the military had brought in Apache helicopters gunships and cleared the entire plaza at the House of Congress !!!!! And arrested Trump for inciting them and directing them to go there and to pursue harming and/or killing members of congress and hanging the Vice President.

We would have done no less if it had been foreign terrorist...

You've got a damn good point. I particularly like the point that Apache helicopter gunships would have been justified and how we would have done no less if it had been foreign terrorists. The Capitol was under attack, and the defending officers were being overrun. How does it matter WHO was doing the attacking?

 

[Gateman_Wen]

In your opinion, were they patriots, just rioters or there to stop the congress from naming Biden president?

They were insurrectionists.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

it was a protest to start with.

The protest was cover to get the people there.

 

[Chillfolks]

The protest was cover to get the people there.

Did your Rice Krispies or the neighbors dog let you in on that theory?

 

[DCCougar]

Did your Rice Krispies or the neighbors dog let you in on that theory?

Maybe you should listen to Trump's whole speech again. "It will be wild!"

 

[Buckeyes85]

You tell me. Why wasn't Epps arrested?

Sorry, logical argument doesn't work that way.
The suggestion that you are probably an adherent to lots of conspiracy theories is not refuted by you asking for proof that ONE of your conspiracy theories is untrue.

But I appreciate, being a conspiracy theorist, you consider questions about proof of your conspiracy theory are viewed as further proof of the conspiracy. And so it goes.

 

[ataraxia]

L

I understand that’s is your take, but it was a protest to start with.

This was no protest. That was not even its original purpose. The whole purpose was to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power, a critically important and sacred part of the functioning of the IS government- based on baldfaced, shameless lies by a dangerous traitor to illegally and illegitimately keep personal power for himself.

This is not “my take”. You don’t believe me? Just ask the inciter if the whole thing:

“Stop the steal!”, “: “And we fight. We fight like hell And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore.”

The whole idea that this was some kind of “protest” is laughable on its face. Only people who listen to and believe Tucker Carlson or something would think that.

 

[ataraxia]

Did your Rice Krispies or the neighbors dog let you in on that theory?

No, the organizers of the event:

“What Trump’s gonna do is just declare victory. Right? He’s gonna declare victory. But that doesn’t mean he’s a winner,” Bannon, laughing, told the group, according to the audio.
“He’s just gonna say he’s a winner…at 10 or 11 o’clock Trump’s gonna walk in the Oval, tweet out: ‘I’m the winner. Game over. Suck on that.’

That would lead to a public perception that Trump was winning the election, according to the audio. Democrats would “have a natural disadvantage”, Bannon said.

“And Trump’s going to take advantage of it. That’s our strategy. He’s gonna declare himself a winner.”

“So when you wake up Wednesday morning, it’s going to be a firestorm,” Bannon said.
“You’re going to have antifa, crazy. The media, crazy. The courts are crazy. And Trump’s gonna be sitting there mocking, tweeting shit out: ‘You lose. I’m the winner. I’m the king.’”
Axios reported before the 2020 election that Trump had “told confidants he’ll declare victory on Tuesday night if it looks like he’s ‘ahead’”, and Bannon said on his podcast on the day of the election that Trump would claim victory “right before the 11 o’clock news”. The Mother Jones audio supports both claims.

Trump did exactly that hours after the election, claiming, “Frankly, we did win this election”…

‘Game over’: Steve Bannon audio reveals Trump planned to claim early victory

Recording shows the president intended to ‘take advantage’ of early vote lead and declare himself the winner prematurely

amp.theguardian.com

Donald Trump: “And we fight. We fight like hell And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore.”
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The idea that this was just meant to be a protest (and a peaceful one at that, LOL) is laughable on its face.

It was an insurrection attempt on the US federal government by a dangerous criminal traitor.

 

[RealityNow]

History tells many things, for 100yrs many white people went along with Jim Crow and many supported it, and they hated for the truth of its atrocities to be told and discussed. They certainly were not going to read about its atrocities and learn and acknowledge the truth, Until, the carnage of it was shown on National TV.
Still some tried to deny it and cling to their racism.
The more humane respecting people finally stood up when they saw the images in real time on TV, and LBJ too the stand to end Jim Crow....

So, its not a surprise that there are still white people, who are passively finding means and ways to accept these terrorist who attacked the U.S. Capitol.

It is however a step forward for the truly liberal principle minded white people who are not afraid to face the truth, and are not afraid to call out these treasonous terrorist.
It is a white people thing and its to white people to do something about it.

Black people have been standing up to these Jim Crow types for decades, which is what helped along with some liberal whites to get the Civil Rights Passed, and still to this day, standing up fighting for the right to vote and stop all the voter suppression acts, by right wing racist bigots.
Imagine if "all white people who say they are Liberal would stand up, not only would we get rid of right wing republicans who promoted voter repressions, we'd get rid of the right wing politicians who damage society within state legislature's.
Sadly, too many white people only stand up to a point, and if they think it will limit the privilege's they get for being whites, then they step back, step down and get silence, and vote for people who keep white nationalism alive. They continually find ways to submit themselves to right wing narratives. I see it in the media all the time, they spin it and spin it until they find a way to appease white nationalist narratives, and once they have appeased and pandered to it, they find a way to accept it.

In this forum we continually see some white people saying and doing anything they can to white wash the terrorist who attack the U.S. Capitol. They always try and diminish it into something acceptable. They know exactly why they do it, because their allegiance is to white nationalist ideology.

When truth of fact is, not all white people are the same just because they have the same color of skin... but many will side with the terrorist types, simply because they have the same white skin.

I know some hate that I write about what they don't want discussed, and some hate like hell that I write about what some have spent their lives trying to hide and pretend it does not exist.

 

[btthegreat]

In your opinion, were they patriots, just rioters or there to stop the congress from naming Biden president?

There is no single cookie cutter for all this dough. Those people collected on the White House lawn had disparate ideas of what this 'protest' was going to accomplish, and what their role was going to be. Some had a very detailed and sinister idea of a plan to disrupt Congress from certifying the election or and a select few had some pretty violent ideas on what they were willing to do to get that certifying stopped including grabbing and kidnapping VP Pence or worse. Others were naive tag-a-longs with vague notions of 'protesting' and chanting MAGA slogans maybe even a sit-in on the Lawn , not much more sinister than a bunch of college kids in 1970, protesting the draft by barging into the Deans office. A lot of them did little more than enter the Capital and have a selfie taken.

What complicates this more, is that each of their intentions were fluid, as their passions were inflamed or they began to get scared by now rioting mob they were surrounded by . Their minds changed very quickly between when they stood on that lawn and when they were standing in those halls watching the chaos and violence ahead.

Some started as protesters, and became trespassers. Some started as protesters and stayed on the right side of the law. Some started as seditionists, and became violent rioters intending to physically assault police officers.

For each individual the evidence of intent and acts must determine the crime and the appropriate label.

 

[Nickyjo]

Ray is a faithful servant of the Washington Establishment and made sure that his small army of goons removed barricades and then incite a riot. Nancy made sure her daughter was there to video record the day's activities. It was quite a production!

Obviously Trump had nothing to do with what happened that day. It was all a plot by democrats to win an election that they had already won.

 

[EnigmaO01]

Ray is a faithful servant of the Washington Establishment and made sure that his small army of goons removed barricades and then incite a riot. Nancy made sure her daughter was there to video record the day's activities. It was quite a production!

Bullshit. Another stupid conspiracy theory.

 

[EnigmaO01]

There is no single cookie cutter for all this dough. Those people collected on the White House lawn had disparate ideas of what this 'protest' was going to accomplish, and what their role was going to be. Some had a very detailed and sinister idea of a plan to disrupt Congress from certifying the election or and a select few had some pretty violent ideas on what they were willing to do to get that certifying stopped including grabbing and kidnapping VP Pence or worse. Others were naive tag-a-longs with vague notions of 'protesting' and chanting MAGA slogans maybe even a sit-in on the Lawn , not much more sinister than a bunch of college kids in 1970, protesting the draft by barging into the Deans office. A lot of them did little more than enter the Capital and have a selfie taken.

What complicates this more, is that each of their intentions were fluid, as their passions were inflamed or they began to get scared by now rioting mob they were surrounded by . Their minds changed very quickly between when they stood on that lawn and when they were standing in those halls watching the chaos and violence ahead.

Some started as protesters, and became trespassers. Some started as protesters and stayed on the right side of the law. Some started as seditionists, and became violent rioters intending to physically assault police officers.

For each individual the evidence of intent and acts must determine the crime and the appropriate label.

Whitehouse lawn? Don't you mean the Capitol building?

 

[btthegreat]

Whitehouse lawn? Don't you mean the Capitol building?

They first collected to listen to the President and other speakers who incited the march to the Capital. That may not have been the known plan to everyone who traveled to Washington to be a part of this protest. As I say they really did not all sit in the same room, or even the same social media site to get the same set of instructions. Some were told third or fourth hand and just went with the flow as long as they felt comfortable. Undoubtedly the leaders had a much more detailed plan which was part of an intricate and complex plan to install the former President.

 

[Chillfolks]

No, the organizers of the event:

“What Trump’s gonna do is just declare victory. Right? He’s gonna declare victory. But that doesn’t mean he’s a winner,” Bannon, laughing, told the group, according to the audio.
“He’s just gonna say he’s a winner…at 10 or 11 o’clock Trump’s gonna walk in the Oval, tweet out: ‘I’m the winner. Game over. Suck on that.’

That would lead to a public perception that Trump was winning the election, according to the audio. Democrats would “have a natural disadvantage”, Bannon said.

“And Trump’s going to take advantage of it. That’s our strategy. He’s gonna declare himself a winner.”

“So when you wake up Wednesday morning, it’s going to be a firestorm,” Bannon said.
“You’re going to have antifa, crazy. The media, crazy. The courts are crazy. And Trump’s gonna be sitting there mocking, tweeting shit out: ‘You lose. I’m the winner. I’m the king.’”
Axios reported before the 2020 election that Trump had “told confidants he’ll declare victory on Tuesday night if it looks like he’s ‘ahead’”, and Bannon said on his podcast on the day of the election that Trump would claim victory “right before the 11 o’clock news”. The Mother Jones audio supports both claims.

Trump did exactly that hours after the election, claiming, “Frankly, we did win this election”…

‘Game over’: Steve Bannon audio reveals Trump planned to claim early victory

Recording shows the president intended to ‘take advantage’ of early vote lead and declare himself the winner prematurely

amp.theguardian.com

Donald Trump: “And we fight. We fight like hell And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore.”
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The idea that this was just meant to be a protest (and a peaceful one at that, LOL) is laughable on its face.

It was an insurrection attempt on the US federal government by a dangerous criminal traitor.

Cool story, but a twisted take on a protest. Take deep breaths

 

[RaleBulgarian]

There were people there for many reasons some who did not have the best of intentions, others looking to peacefully protest

You do realize that every single one of those that were on the grounds of the Capitol building were, at a minimum, trespassing, right?