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Thought it'd be nice to stir the metaphorical pot for a bit, so here's an article on what is being referred to now as Gender Dysphoria.
As a Libertarian I don't really have much of an opinion on this issue, I think that people should be able to do more or less what they want with themselves, withing reason of course, assuming they aren't hurting others.
Nevertheless, I am interested in hearing other people's opinions on this particular topic.
Thoughts?
Well, in terms of my own personal opinion on transgender people, I've got no problem with them. I have no issue respecting the pronouns which they choose to identify by.
I see no reason to not accept transgender people for who they are. And especially me, because me being gay and having experienced homophobia to a degree in my life, it would be ridiculous for me to hold some sort of prejudice against trans people.
I have no problem with transgendered people. Don't care one way or the other. I do have a problem with the pronoun thing, because lets face it, its hard enough trying to figure out who's what. I am not about to spend my time figuring out somebodies peccadilloes when I don't much care in the first place. If they are offended because I said the wrong thing, too damn bad. It's like the stuck up snotty bitches who insist upon being called doctor, even if their reputation doesn't precede them. Most doctors don't care if they are called doctor or not. I imagine its the same with transgendered folks.
It's mental illness, and these people need psychological help, not to be enabled.
Thought it'd be nice to stir the metaphorical pot for a bit, so here's an article on what is being referred to now as Gender Dysphoria.
As a Libertarian I don't really have much of an opinion on this issue, I think that people should be able to do more or less what they want with themselves, withing reason of course, assuming they aren't hurting others.
Nevertheless, I am interested in hearing other people's opinions on this particular topic.
Thoughts?
Can you post some links to published literature for this - Thanks.
As you said, I have no problem with what people do as long as they harm no one else.
Is it really that much of an inconvenience to refer to a trans person by the pronouns that they identify with? It's not to me. And I don't think you can really compare a doctor's title to gendered pronouns.
I just don't want to come off as an asshole. If someone wants me to refer to them as a he or a she, then I'll do that.
I don't mind referring to someone as a he if he identifies as such or she if she identifies as such, however the game of labels and pronouns gets annoyingly complicated for some. At some point you got to be content with knowing who you are and identifying as what you are without expecting the world to always play nice.
Thanks, I'll read it. It may be to early to say this but one study from 6 yrs ago doesn't give me much info.
Sweden Transgender Study said:Results
The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8–4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide (aHR 19.1; 95% CI 5.8–62.9). Sex-reassigned persons also had an increased risk for suicide attempts (aHR 4.9; 95% CI 2.9–8.5) and psychiatric inpatient care (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 2.0–3.9). Comparisons with controls matched on reassigned sex yielded similar results. Female-to-males, but not male-to-females, had a higher risk for criminal convictions than their respective birth sex controls.
Conclusions
Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
That's the part where most people differ. Many people see no problem with hard drug use using this same reasoning. However, what is the harm to a community of most people start using hard drugs? Does it make raising children more difficult or easier? Is that a harm to parents?
We can't accept just a narrow definition of direct harm while the deterioration of social capital harms all of us.
Thought it'd be nice to stir the metaphorical pot for a bit, so here's an article on what is being referred to now as Gender Dysphoria.
As a Libertarian I don't really have much of an opinion on this issue, I think that people should be able to do more or less what they want with themselves, withing reason of course, assuming they aren't hurting others.
Nevertheless, I am interested in hearing other people's opinions on this particular topic.
Thoughts?
Doing hard drugs alters the mind and tends to result in the drug taker doing things they would not normally do, which in some cases will harm someone. Someone living their life as whatever gender they identify with doesn't. That comparison is way off.
If you're referring to the "ze" pronouns and such, and the numerous other silly genders people identify as (like Demisexual), then I agree.
Deviant sexual lifestyles lead to higher STD rates in a population. That's a harm. Their suicide attempts are also a harm as we're paying for their healthcare. So no, you can't argue that there's no harm associated with the practice.
So, you do draw a line?
Deviant sexual lifestyles lead to higher STD rates in a population. That's a harm. Their suicide attempts are also a harm as we're paying for their healthcare. So no, you can't argue that there's no harm associated with the practice.
It's mental illness, and these people need psychological help, not to be enabled.
Depends. If I know someone personally, and they want me to refer to them as a "ze" or whatever, then I'll do that. But I find it ridiculous when some people try to force that, as if you should always use gender neutral pronouns, in order to not offend anyone who might not identify as a he or a she (which is basically the kind of mindset I have an issue with.
It doesn't take long to read. I'll quote all you need to read.
Doing hard drugs alters the mind and tends to result in the drug taker doing things they would not normally do, which in some cases will harm someone. Someone living their life as whatever gender they identify with doesn't. That comparison is way off.
Bigger Stronger Faster* (2008) Official Trailer #1 - Steroids Documentary Movie HD
BIGGER STRONGER FASTER* deleted scene: "Roid Rage"
"Bigger, Faster, Stronger" - Truth about Steroids
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