Shutdown message: Trump & the GOP are gonna lose

[gbg3]

Some polling has been posted up thread. This is the most recent shutdown polling I've seen, released today and from 10/1-10/2 polling period (Harvard Harris). Six specific questions were asked.

 

[Linc]

This is why the dems should block the CR indefinitely.

I wouldn’t reopen until Texas and Missouri undo their apartheid gerrymandered maps, along with several others like North Carolina.
Let’s ‘claw back’ the trillions they’ve given to their campaign donors, as well as ‘keep’ why they’re on strike.

 

[Luce]

I wouldn’t reopen until Texas and Missouri undo their apartheid gerrymandered maps, along with several others like Nietg Carolina.
Let’s ‘claw back’ the trillions they’ve given to their campaign donors, as well as ‘keep’ why they’re on strike.

I wouldn't reopen.

You will notice the lack of conditions.

 

[Allan]

The USSR did the same thing.

You use troops from one region to suppress other regions, because they have no local loyalties.

China did that twice. They didn't trust Beijing soldiers to use the necessary force during the Tiananmen Square and subsequent university protests so they brought in non-local soldiers.

 

[BirdinHand]

Some polling has been posted up thread. This is the most recent shutdown polling I've seen, released today and from 10/1-10/2 polling period (Harvard Harris). Six specific questions were asked.


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Bottom line: the majority blaming the republicans.



Keep it closed.

 

[Linc]

Bottom line: the majority blaming the republicans.



Keep it closed.

Farmers say keep it closed, after the Argentina sellout.

 

[BirdinHand]

Farmers say keep it closed, after the Argentina sellout.

That was a slap in the face to them, wasn’t it.

They thought Dear
leader liked them.




More leopards.

 

[Greenbeard]

Some polling has been posted up thread. This is the most recent shutdown polling I've seen, released today and from 10/1-10/2 polling period (Harvard Harris). Six specific questions were asked.


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I like that even a push poll about "the Democrats behind the shutdown" couldn't muster up a majority to blame the Democrats.

 

[gbg3]

Bottom line: the majority blaming the republicans.



Keep it closed.

Gotta love a Dem who takes 6 specific questions from the same poll on the same topic and feels completely comfortable cherry picking the only one of the 6 which slightly favors her bias/wishes while ignoring all the other 5, which do nothing to favor or support her bias (in fact, do the opposite). How intellectually honest, conversation worthy, and useful for a politcal forum.

 

[Greenbeard]

Look at your own chart. MAGA Supporters don't realize that Democrats are fighting for their benefits.

Self-identified MAGA is a cult, there's no "message" that Chuck Schumer can conjure up to deprogram them after a decade. Everyone else correctly grasps what's going on with this shutdown.

Republicans can message and shift opinion because they fundamentally believe in their arguments and tactics. Democrats largely can't, don't, and won't fight for principles. The goal of Democratic Leadership is to find a middle ground position between the center and the right-wing. In this battle, the end goal of Democrats tactics would actually benefit Republicans electorally.

Huh? The Dems are fighting to keep 17 million Americans from losing their health care and your take is that 1) Dems won't fight for principles, and 2) the principle they're actively fighting for is bad because saving those people's health care and averting suffering will "benefit Republicans electorally"? There's a lot of cognitive dissonance going on here.

 

[Callen]

10/1 to 10/3...

 

[BirdinHand]

Gotta love a Dem who takes 6 specific questions from the same poll on the same topic and feels completely comfortable cherry picking the only one of the 6 which slightly favors her bias/wishes while ignoring all the other 5, which do nothing to favor or support her bias (in fact, do the opposite). How intellectually honest, conversation worthy, and useful for a politcal forum.

Gotta love how you decided to only include screenshots of the polls and not a link to the entirety of the poll data - as though you weren’t trying to supoort bias.



The blame is on the Republicans and Trump.

That’s the bottom line.

Deal with it.

 

[Emlee]

A Harry Enten reality check?

 

[Callen]

The blame is on the Republicans and Trump.

That’s the bottom line.

Particularly interesting given that the Harvard/ Harris polls tend to have a slight right bias. Not so much because of their results but rather their tendency to use leading language. For example they say in one chart the Republicans are being being blamed by a "slim" majority. ...6 % points is not that " slim ".

 

[L88]

Are you claiming the change the Democrats want is to give illegals healthcare?

No.
The Republicans put in that all Federal paid healthcare for illegals shall end. Well there is no federal paid healthcare for illegals.

It's a booby trap for the Dems. If Schumer pushes it through, the PROGs will claim he denied healthcare to immigrants. That's why he's not moving on it.

 

[gbg3]

Gotta love how you decided to only include screenshots of the polls and not a link to the entirety of the poll data - as though you weren’t trying to supoort bias.



The blame is on the Republicans and Trump.

That’s the bottom line.

Deal with it.

I'm more than happy to post a link to the whole poll here. I posted every question in the "Government Shutdown" section, thus specific to this thread. Notice I didn't deliberately leave out the only question you addressed, the one which favored your bias and not mine. I am actually a fan of full context, BirdinHand.

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/HHP_Sep2025_KeyResults.pdf

 

[Allan]

No.
The Republicans put in that all Federal paid healthcare for illegals shall end. Well there is no federal paid healthcare for illegals.

Thanks for the clarification.

It's a booby trap for the Dems. If Schumer pushes it through, the PROGs will claim he denied healthcare to immigrants. That's why he's not moving on it.

You think Democrat supporters think that the proposed change includes healthcare for the undocumented?

I'm not seeing anything to indicate that.

 

[Callen]

No.
The Republicans put in that all Federal paid healthcare for illegals shall end. Well there is no federal paid healthcare for illegals.

It's a booby trap for the Dems. If Schumer pushes it through, the PROGs will claim he denied healthcare to immigrants. That's why he's not moving on it.

The best thing the Dems could do is come right out and say that in the interest of opening the government the ONLY issue on the table is the ACA subsidies and not any change to the BBB.

 

[CimpleMan]

Bloomberg has an article that was able to read through MSN suggesting there's movement behind the scenes. Focus for Republicans is to convince 5 more Dem Senators to join the 3 Senators to get the vote on CR.


Dems to flood the zone with hard numbers and stories of actual people who will be most affected by loss of enhanced credits.

 

[uptower]

 

[Callen]

Bloomberg has an article that was able to read through MSN suggesting there's movement behind the scenes. Focus for Republicans is to convince 5 more Dem Senators to join the 3 Senators to get the vote on CR.

Although I heard that given the polling on the ACA subsidies Republicans are starting to get nervous about the impacts.. Seems TX. FL, SC and GA along with CA have the largest numbers of those benefiting from the subsidies.

 

[Allan]

Seems TX. FL, SC and GA along with CA have the largest numbers of those benefiting from the subsidies.

Oops.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

TAX THE RICH.

Step 1.

Instead of decades of giving tax cuts to the rich and their corporations - increase their tax rates.

The middle class was the strongest in this country when the tax rates were higher on the richest and corporations.

And yet, no wealthy person became poor because of our tax rates at the time. They all managed to stay rich.

 

[mike2810]

If the democrats get the changes they want, the taxpayers will be on the hook for an additional 1.5 trillion dollars to provide subsidies to ACA and other care to yes, some illegals through hospital emergency room care, and addition cost of some illegals who have been granted TEMPORARY legal status. At some point we need to go to a balances budget amendment. We simply can't take care of everybody who finds their way into this country, those who live in other countries and our citizens.

/sarcasm
Wait, Trump told us these tariffs will have the country rolling in money.
So much money he is giving money to Argentina to bail them out and then they sell soybeans to China so they could cancel contracts with the US.
we should have plenty of money for the ACA
/sarcasm off

 

[mike2810]

As far as the shutdown goes.
I hold President Trump and all members of Congress responsible.

They should have had the budget done by end of June. Instead they want to live by the CR's.
This is pure poor leadership by the President and the Speakers of the House and Senate.