Should we teach the truth about slavery in our schools?

[independentusa]

Conservatives are trying to change or rewrite the history of our country by saying we should not teach about slavery. Governor Abbot of Texas says we should teach "patriotic history and of our Christian Heritage in our schools. Other say to teach the truth about slavery is just liberals trying to hurt the white race and its heritage. Will the cons next want us to change the Civil War from the South breaking away from the union to preserve slavery to the North breaking away for the Confederacy. I mean, we can rewrite history any way you want, but in the end, those who do not learn from history, will repeat the same mistakes.

 

[Acadia]

Oh bullshit. I mean, this latest line of attack- a pathetic straw man- shows how indefensible CRT really is.
It's rich you think that teaching segregation, racism and grouping people by the color of their skin is somehow avoiding repeating mistakes of the past. When in fact, that is EXACTLY the mistake of the past.

 

[phoenix2020]

I’d personally like to see less “right or left’s interpretation of history” and more mathematics. physics, chemistry and biology. After all, those who don’t know history are doomed to be doing too many new things to have free time to repeat it.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I’d personally like to see less “right or left’s interpretation of history” and more mathematics. physics, chemistry and biology. After all, those who don’t know history are doomed to be doing too many new things to have free time to repeat it.

I would add philosophy as well. While I consider almost all philosophy to be nothing better than speculation, it is useful for teaching logic.

 

[trixare4kids]

Conservatives are trying to change or rewrite the history of our country by saying we should not teach about slavery. Governor Abbot of Texas says we should teach "patriotic history and of our Christian Heritage in our schools. Other say to teach the truth about slavery is just liberals trying to hurt the white race and its heritage. Will the cons next want us to change the Civil War from the South breaking away from the union to preserve slavery to the North breaking away for the Confederacy. I mean, we can rewrite history any way you want, but in the end, those who do not learn from history, will repeat the same mistakes.

Want some fries with this lie?

 

[j brown's body]

Oh bullshit. I mean, this latest line of attack- a pathetic straw man- shows how indefensible CRT really is.
It's rich you think that teaching segregation, racism and grouping people by the color of their skin is somehow avoiding repeating mistakes of the past. When in fact, that is EXACTLY the mistake of the past.

CRT isn't really taught in secondary schools.

To students of color, it isn't the past. They aren't stupid.

 

[Phys251]

Want some fries with this lie?

See my sig #2.

 

[Phys251]

Conservatives are trying to change or rewrite the history of our country by saying we should not teach about slavery. Governor Abbot of Texas says we should teach "patriotic history and of our Christian Heritage in our schools. Other say to teach the truth about slavery is just liberals trying to hurt the white race and its heritage. Will the cons next want us to change the Civil War from the South breaking away from the union to preserve slavery to the North breaking away for the Confederacy. I mean, we can rewrite history any way you want, but in the end, those who do not learn from history, will repeat the same mistakes.

 

[j brown's body]

Want some fries with this lie?

How history textbooks reflect America’s refusal to reckon with slavery

Educational materials have been slow to incorporate black humanity in their slavery narratives. And they still have a long way to go.

www.vox.com

"Textbooks have been a part of the culture wars for a long time, said King. In the late 1990s, scholar Leah Wasburn analyzed slavery representation’s in US history textbooks used in Indiana, and she noted how the religious right influenced textbooks in the 1980s and’90s. During this period, there were more conservative references to how Christianity got the enslaved through hard times, as well as traditional family rhetoric that said the wives of slave owners (which assumed women weren’t slaveowners themselves) took care of the enslaved in motherly ways.

...Texas, for example, earned a reputation for inserting dubious information and interpretations about the nation’s creation, evolution, and slavery into its school books. In one case, Moses — he of the Ten Commandments — was listed as a Founding Father, and enslaved people were referred to as immigrant workers in a textbook caption a student flagged in 2015."

 

[smallvoice]

I would add philosophy as well. While I consider almost all philosophy to be nothing better than speculation, it is useful for teaching logic.

If you want to teach logic, try Plane Geometry. It deletes prejudice.

 

[j brown's body]

I would add philosophy as well. While I consider almost all philosophy to be nothing better than speculation, it is useful for teaching logic.

Its funny, I just started teaching high school philosophy and I don't really do logic. I do it enough to get to logical fallacies.

 

[Acadia]

CRT isn't really taught in secondary schools.

To students of color, it isn't the past. They aren't stupid.

If "students of color" think that slavery still exists, or that they aren't equal in every way, or that there actually exists "systemic racism", they have been grossly neglected in public school and abused beyond belief to be inculcated into thinking they are victims.

 

[TheParser]

Oh, for goodness' sake.

Slavery is already taught in our schools.

That's enough.

 

[phoenix2020]

I would add philosophy as well. While I consider almost all philosophy to be nothing better than speculation, it is useful for teaching logic.

Oh yes, good one. And part and parcel with that, logic/critical thinking classes as well.

 

[gone fishin']

It's really a rhetorical question isn't it? The truth should always be taught in schools; how else can informed decisions be made? The same thought goes for throughout life in general.

I am of the ilk that shakes my head when the news broadcasters warn about graphic video that's about to be shown. The truth needs to be witnessed.

 

[DataPoint]

The tax payers can count on 95% of the instructors and teachers of government and history to teach the truth of American Negro chattel slavery.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Conservatives are trying to change or rewrite the history of our country by saying we should not teach about slavery. Governor Abbot of Texas says we should teach "patriotic history and of our Christian Heritage in our schools. Other say to teach the truth about slavery is just liberals trying to hurt the white race and its heritage. Will the cons next want us to change the Civil War from the South breaking away from the union to preserve slavery to the North breaking away for the Confederacy. I mean, we can rewrite history any way you want, but in the end, those who do not learn from history, will repeat the same mistakes.

I learned about slavery in public school.
Maybe you were just snoozing your way through and forgot that part?

 

[j brown's body]

If "students of color" think that slavery still exists, or that they aren't equal in every way, or that there actually exists "systemic racism", they have been grossly neglected in public school and abused beyond belief to be inculcated into thinking they are victims.

Their recognition that they aren't equal in every way and systematic racism is based on experience. Teach them the truth about history and their experiences make sense.

Today, I taught my students about red lining, an example of systematic racism. They feel its effects.They hear its effects. Now they know where it came from.

They hear white people say that blacks moving into neighborhoods run them down. They know its a lie. Now they know why.

 

[Fiddytree]

I’d personally like to see less “right or left’s interpretation of history” and more mathematics. physics, chemistry and biology. After all, those who don’t know history are doomed to be doing too many new things to have free time to repeat it.

That's not how things works, especially that there are a lot of STEM folks (including respected or influential people in their fields) that are mighty okay with repeating the sins of the last 200 years by pursuing negative eugenics and phrenology.

 

[phoenix2020]

That's not how things works, especially that there are a lot of STEM folks that are mighty okay with repeating the sins of the last 120 years by pursuing negative eugenics and phrenology.

That's a reasonable point.

 

[Fiddytree]

That's a reasonable point.

That's what happens when you spent 12+ years in history for undergrad and grad school!

 

[j brown's body]

I’d personally like to see less “right or left’s interpretation of history” and more mathematics. physics, chemistry and biology. After all, those who don’t know history are doomed to be doing too many new things to have free time to repeat it.

The effort to link race to biology is a fascinating topic.

 

[Acadia]

Their recognition that they aren't equal in every way and systematic racism is based on experience. Teach them the truth about history and their experiences make sense.

Today, I taught my students about red lining, an example of systematic racism. They feel its effects.They hear its effects. Now they know where it came from.

They hear white people say that blacks moving into neighborhoods run them down. They know its a lie. Now they know why.

That's history. That actually happened. CRT is marxist ideology based on dividing us by race, as the world watches us destroy our own country.
If you are a teacher, and you abuse your students with CRT, you don't deserve to darken the door of ANY school. EVER.

 

[j brown's body]

That's not how things works, especially that there are a lot of STEM folks (including respected or influential people in their fields) that are mighty okay with repeating the sins of the last 200 years by pursuing negative eugenics and phrenology.

My high school curriculum doesn't even include eugenics. I suspect few of them do. That is criminal neglect. I do it on my own. There is an amazing archive website at the Cold Spring Harbor website.

 

[DataPoint]

That's history. That actually happened. CRT is marxist ideology based on dividing us by race, as the world watches us destroy our own country.
If you are a teacher, and you abuse your students with CRT, you don't deserve to darken the door of ANY school. EVER.

You just demonstrated you don't understand either CRT or Marxism.