Should we take advice from Vladimir Putin on how to run our elections?

[NuffSaid]

What we should do is make sure we have taken every step to ensure our elections are honest, fair, and nobody is allowed to vote that isn't a citizen, hasn't properly registered, doesn't vote more than onces, and certainly that no non citizens or unregistered persons vote. I'm not a big believer in mail in because it offers too easy an opportunity to cheat. Someone other than the person on the form, actually casts the ballot for instance. We also have seen too many instances where ballots wer not properly filled out. Signatures didn't match, date for return had expired, mass ballot dumping. These are just not good for the process. If you want to vote and you legally can, you should. The processes are there but we need to enforce the law, and all voting regulations. When you want to break the rules, or ignore the law it can only appear that you want to cheat.

The biggest group of cheaters were the MAGA grandparents in The Villages who decided going to jail for voting more than once for Trump was WAY more important than seeing their grandkids.
Selfish shits.

 

[Mycroft]

A what if game you are playing.

I will use Arizona as an example. Republicans wrote and passed our elections laws. What you are saying is the GOP in Arizona developed a system that can be corrupted.
Guess we should not vote for any GOP running for office. They like to give the opportunity for corruption.

I'll use Colorado as an example.

Democrats wrote and passed our election laws. I'm saying our mail in voting system works very well, BUT...it is still vulnerable if corrupt people want to commit election fraud.

Do you think that's a reason to not vote for Democrats? After all, Democrats have a history across the country of committing election fraud...even against their fellow Democrats.

 

[mike2810]

I'll use Colorado as an example.

Democrats wrote and passed our election laws. I'm saying our mail in voting system works very well, BUT...it is still vulnerable if corrupt people want to commit election fraud.

True.
and people who want to rob houses are going to rob houses.

imo, there is no problem with improving our voting system. Mail in voting has proven to be safe and efficient.

Do you think that's a reason to not vote for Democrats?

yes.

After all, Democrats have a history across the country of committing election fraud...even against their fellow Democrats.

/sarcasm
After all, Republicans have a history in the last few elections of committing election fraud, even against their fellow Republicans.
Just ask Kari Lake. She claimed fraud in the Republican Primary way before voting even started.
/sarcasm off

Voter fraud is committed by people registered to various political parties. While voter fraud can and does occur research has shown it is not the widespread issue that the GOP would have us believe. Do a search and you will find the information regarding voter fraud.

 

[Mycroft]

True.
and people who want to rob houses are going to rob houses.

imo, there is no problem with improving our voting system. Mail in voting has proven to be safe and efficient.

Nothing wrong with improving our voting system, but there's no reason to make it easier to commit election fraud. That's what mail in voting does.

yes.

/sarcasm
After all, Republicans have a history in the last few elections of committing election fraud, even against their fellow Republicans.
Just ask Kari Lake. She claimed fraud in the Republican Primary way before voting even started.
/sarcasm off

Voter fraud is committed by people registered to various political parties. While voter fraud can and does occur research has shown it is not the widespread issue that the GOP would have us believe. Do a search and you will find the information regarding voter fraud.

Voter fraud isn't the same thing as election fraud. Those two terms are not interchangeable.

 

[SavannahMann]

I'll use Colorado as an example.

Democrats wrote and passed our election laws. I'm saying our mail in voting system works very well, BUT...it is still vulnerable if corrupt people want to commit election fraud.

Do you think that's a reason to not vote for Democrats? After all, Democrats have a history across the country of committing election fraud...even against their fellow Democrats.

We need to move the Gold from Fort Knox. While it is secure at this time, and nobody has stolen it, it is clearly vulnerable to criminals to be stolen. No, we can't explain how they would do it. No, we can't explain how they would move all that Gold. That doesn't matter. It's clearly vulnerable and we need to do something.

That's the argument from MAGA about the elections. No, they can't describe how the election was stolen. No they can't explain how the Election might be stolen. At most you get a handful of people every year who try and vote for a dead relative. Those folks are usually caught because they are not nearly clever enough to realize they are not smart enough to pull it off.

After 2020, online Experts decided to go through the voting results for Riverside County California. They found about 1,000 cases which they proclaimed were obviously Voter Fraud. The Riverside County Sheriff's office and District Attorney's Office investigated each of those 1,000 cases. Every single one. They found exactly one case of Voter Fraud. A single young man had lied about his age to get a ballot, and when he actually turned 18 got a second ballot with his actual ID. He voted twice. One out of a thousand. Months of work by Investigators to check the claims. Claims of Dead Voters casting ballots. The Investigators poked the people with sticks and used a mirror to confirm they were in fact, alive. Claims of double voting. All of it. There was actually only one.

One. Out of a thousand claimed crimes. Imagine that if it was any other crime. A thousand claimed murders, and it turned out only one person was actually murdered. A thousand claimed rapes, and only one person was actually raped.

Now maybe you can help me out. How did Georgia produce 11,000 bogus ballots for Biden in 2020? I write fiction as a hobby. I can't imagine how they could do it as I am a Georgia Voter and I know the procedures. So how did they do it? How did the Democrats steal Georgia?

 

[Fearandloathing]

Trump says Putin agrees with him US should not have mail-in voting

U.S. President Donald Trump said on Friday his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin agrees with him that letting voters send in ballots by mail puts honest elections at risk.

www.reuters.com

Should we take advice from Vladimir Putin on how to run our elections?

Note that Trump had his commerce and treasury secretaries present to meet with Putin, so the objective of the meeting wasn’t really Ukraine but more likely how to turn the US into a shithole crime family state like Russia.

He's created such a great example.....

 

[Risky Thicket]

Why ask this stupid question?

To bait you. How did that work out?

 

[mrjurrs]

What we should do is make sure we have taken every step to ensure our elections are honest, fair, and nobody is allowed to vote that isn't a citizen, hasn't properly registered, doesn't vote more than onces, and certainly that no non citizens or unregistered persons vote. I'm not a big believer in mail in because it offers too easy an opportunity to cheat. Someone other than the person on the form, actually casts the ballot for instance. We also have seen too many instances where ballots wer not properly filled out. Signatures didn't match, date for return had expired, mass ballot dumping. These are just not good for the process. If you want to vote and you legally can, you should. The processes are there but we need to enforce the law, and all voting regulations. When you want to break the rules, or ignore the law it can only appear that you want to cheat.

None of those actions comprised more than a blip in the counts of votes. America's elections are very, very secure.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Let's cut to the chase - which MAGAs will promptly deny and ignore - Donald Trump is as nutty as a fruit cake. He has lost the plot. He is away with the fairies and he is not coming back. His dementia/malignant narcissism/luke warm IQ are not reversible.

Due to his horrible upbringing Trump his missed a large part of life. The large parts the rest of us experience(d), good and bad, that enable us to learn, adapt and survive. Trump lives on the very fragile edge of a shallow existence. He has earned nothing of value. Gold is his measure of success. And Donald surrounds himself with all the accouterments of a modern day Midas. In essence he is miserable. He has created a reality in his head that helps him cope rather than face the true reality the rest of us live in.

Donald Trump joneses for a daddy. He feels rudderless. He feels the need for strong direction. Men such as Putin help fill the daddy gap in Trump's life.

Putin is no dummy. He's well trained in the art of deception. And frankly, Trump is not that difficult to play. Putin has done well. He essentially owns Trump and Putin plays Trump like a fine guitar. A few words of flattery, a few words of concern and encouragement and when the time is right a few suggestions and Trump is suckered in.

 

[mike2810]

Nothing wrong with improving our voting system, but there's no reason to make it easier to commit election fraud. That's what mail in voting does.

There are so many checks to avoid your "what if" concern.

Voter fraud isn't the same thing as election fraud. Those two terms are not interchangeable.

I know that.
You also have not proved "election" fraud occurred.

 

[Mycroft]

There are so many checks to avoid your "what if" concern.

And so many ways to skirt the checks...if the corrupt intent is there.

I know that.

Then you should edit your comment where you try to use them interchangeably.

You also have not proved "election" fraud occurred.

Deflection.

We aren't talking about any specific election fraud or whether it has occurred. But, there are cases of election fraud that HAS been proven in courts.

 

[Roadvirus]

No he doesn't.

Trump just signed an illegal EO getting rid of mail-in ballots.

How do you like your crow? Do you want salt or ketchup?

 

[Roadvirus]

And guess what...Putin was right and Trump was right to believe him.

Some of us have known Putin was right for years, but now EVERYONE knows Putin was right.

What's really sad is that this is not trolling.

He really believes this.

 

[Mycroft]

Trump just signed an illegal EO getting rid of mail-in ballots.

How do you like your crow? Do you want salt or ketchup?

Can you give me a link to the EO?

What makes you think it's illegal?

 

[Roadvirus]

Can you give me a link to the EO?

What makes you think it's illegal?

I was wrong. He's looking into signing one.

I retract my comment and will eat the crow raw myself.

 

[Linc]

Let us know when you stop lying about the 2020 election.

Let me know when you learn to conduct an honest poll.

maga traitors have done more to elevate putin without a shot fired.

 

[Linc]

You just said we shouldn’t ignore what Putin sees.

No. We shouldn't.

But that doesn't mean we should ignore what he sees.

Does this include fresh North Korean soldiers on the front lines?

How about North Korean slaves, similar to Uyghurs in China, working Russian factories.

Like Indian workers in Israeli factories.

 

[Mycroft]

You just said we shouldn’t ignore what Putin sees.

Does this include fresh North Korean soldiers on the front lines?

How about North Korean slaves, similar to Uyghurs in China, working Russian factories.

Like Indian workers in Israeli factories.

Irrelevant deflection.

Bye.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

I'll use Colorado as an example.

Democrats wrote and passed our election laws. I'm saying our mail in voting system works very well, BUT..it is still vulnerable if corrupt people want to commit election fraud..

Do you think that's a reason to not vote for Democrats? After all, Democrats have a history across the country of committing election fraud...even against their fellow Democrats.

@Mycroft, tell us where the vulnerabilities lie. Show us how the mail-in ballot system is subject to corruption. Be specific. Give us examples of how it's been done in the past.

You're in Colorado. Republicans lose a lot of elections there and have for decades, all while mail-in voting has existed, and yet, I don't hear the GOP screaming for decades about voter fraud in Colorado. It only became a thing anywhere after Trump declared, "We win or they cheat."

You have been challenged for a half decade in this forum to produce the evidence of election and voter fraud of which you claim there is a mountain, and not once have you done so.

Cowboy, you're all hat and no cattle.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Can you give me a link to the EO?

What makes you think it's illegal?

It is illegal because it contradicts the US Constitution. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say the president shall be in charge of the elections. In fact, there is a lot of language in the Constitution that says the states are in charge of the elections.

 

[Mycroft]

@Mycroft, tell us where the vulnerabilities lie. Show us how the mail-in ballot system is subject to corruption. Be specific. Give us examples of how it's been done in the past.

You're in Colorado. Republicans lose a lot of elections there and have for decades, all while mail-in voting has existed, and yet, I don't hear the GOP screaming for decades about voter fraud in Colorado. It only became a thing anywhere after Trump declared, "We win or they cheat."

You have been challenged for a half decade in this forum to produce the evidence of election and voter fraud of which you claim there is a mountain, and not once have you done so.

Cowboy, you're all hat and no cattle.

yawn...

I've presented mountains of evidence to this forum for years. It doesn't matter. You can take a horse to water, but you can't make it think.

But hey...how about one more piece of evidence for old time's sake, eh?

5 people, including 3 city council members, facing charges relating to Bridgeport ballot fraud case

The suspects include three Bridgeport City Council members and the vice chair of the city's Democratic Party. The charges stem from videos showing people stuffing absentee ballot boxes in 2023.

connecticut.news12.com

Arrest Warrant Exposes Sprawling Election Fraud 5 Blue State Democrats Engaged In - The American Tribune.com

In a significant move for election integrity, five Connecticut Democrats have been charged for their involvement in a massive election fraud scheme. The

theamericantribune.com

It is illegal because it contradicts the US Constitution. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say the president shall be in charge of the elections. In fact, there is a lot of language in the Constitution that says the states are in charge of the elections.

What's illegal? What has Trump done? You see? That's why I asked for a link to this "EO" that has your knickers in a twist. It doesn't exist.

Oh...wait...he "talked" about the issue, didn't he? Perhaps you can show me where the Constitution makes it illegal for the President to talk about elections. I'd like to see that.