Agnapostate
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Socialism is, after all, the reason the nation's drowing in debt and suffering a banking collapse.
Why should people who contribute nothing, be permited to vote .. they will only vote for somone who will keep giving them free stuff.
Think of it like high school .. the one that got voted class presedent was the one who promised to do the most stuff for the most people.
Sure, if you cheat on your taxes you should be barred from office.
Typical wealth envy, When the top 5% of achievers pay 60% of the taxes .. sounds to me like they are paying plenty.
What percent taxes should the richiest 1% pay? 30%? 50%? More?
Percentiles Ranked by AGI
AGI Threshold on Percentiles
Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid
Top 1%
$388,806
39.89
Top 5%
$153,542
60.14
Top 10%
$108,904
70.79
Top 25%
$64,702
86.27
Top 50%
$31,987
97.01
Bottom 50%
<$31,987
2.99
Note: AGI is Adjusted Gross Income
Source: Internal Revenue Service
The flaw here is that you are using AGI, not total income, to make your point.
The more you make, the more you are able to afford lawyers to figure out tax dodges that lower your taxable income....
Another day, another inaccurate reference to socialism...
So a high school dropout or graduate whose paying income taxes knows **** but a undergraduate student or someone who takes a couple years off to earn an advanced degree doesn't?
The idea that lawyers can magically eliminate your taxes and that all the rich take advantage of it is largely a myth. Trust me, there's only so much that can be done, short of actually breaking the law by hiding income. Even then, the majority of the savings comes from the way the income is categorized, not from lowering the actual AGI.
You know, it hurts me when people say things like this. The media never portrays kids well, and we're no worse - maybe better, bertainly better-informed - than our parents were at our age. We're also much more enviro-minded and supportive of equality, the first generation that grew up with general acceptance of homosexuals, for example. If anyone's going to fix the problems you guys (not to generalize; your generation) made, it will be us.
There is a mindset among many businessmen that they would rather lose money than pay taxes.
If you are in the 35% bracket, and spend $100 dollars on a tax deductible item you don't need, you save $35, but the $65 is still gone.
Better to pay the $35 in taxes and save the $65 for when business is slow.
I watched a relative (by marriage) run his business into the ground with that attitude. He spent money on software he didn't need, a new computer every year, and any other new gadget that came on the market. He had to have a new vehicle on hand to "look successful". He deducted everything to save on taxes, but spent so much money that he went under the minute that business slowed down for him.
He filed bankruptcy after using credit cards to meet payroll of his small staff, neglected to pay taxes and fica on his employees, etc. The credit card companies took the big hit....about $300K....
There is a mindset among many businessmen that they would rather lose money than pay taxes.
We talking someone earning a useless degree in sociology or political science, or an engineer or some other useful skill?
Clearly the person with a job has a useful skill...unless he's working for the government, in which case he shouldn't be allowed to vote unless he's in the military.
If someone chooses to forego income and take the time to earn a higher degree, they should spend their time studying, not playing politics.
I mean, did you see all those stupid college kids that supported Obama? What the heck are they doing in school if they're that ignorant?
When I was twenty I was knowledgable enough that I wouldn't have fallen for that "Global Warming" scam. Since most of the little kiddies suck it up like milk, I'd have to say that you people aren't as aware of what's in the real world as you like to claim.
I've NEVER been stupid enough to vote for a Democrat. Most of your generation can't say that.
The problems MY generation caused? No. The socialism destroying this country got it's biggest pushes by our grandparents in the Depression and into the Sixties.
MY generation mostly embraced capitalism. As everyone knows, capitalism is the only possible philosophy a free society can have.
So, since your generation is foolish enough to reject freedom and embrace socialism, your generation is going to lead the charge over the cliff your great grandparents led you to and which my generation tried to back away from.
We talking someone earning a useless degree in sociology or political science, or an engineer or some other useful skill?
Clearly the person with a job has a useful skill...unless he's working for the government, in which case he shouldn't be allowed to vote unless he's in the military.
If someone chooses to forego income and take the time to earn a higher degree, they should spend their time studying, not playing politics. I mean, did you see all those stupid college kids that supported Obama? What the heck are they doing in school if they're that ignorant?
Democracy works because every adult is inherently given the right to vote. Only by being convicted of criminal actions can it be taken away. You want to change that, you might well put on lederhosen and start blowing hitler. If we barred idiots from voting, it wouldn't be democracy because we would going against the majority. Disagreeing with someone is cause to argue against them using our nifty free speech laws, not persecute them using the government.
I see now. It isn't really about whether a person is paying income tax at all. It is about disenfranchising as many people who disagree with Scarecrow Akhbar as possible.
The difference between you and an open window is that the open window is slightly more difficult to see through.
Democracy works because every adult is inherently given the right to vote.
Only by being convicted of criminal actions can it be taken away.
You want to change that, you might well put on lederhosen and start blowing hitler.
If we barred idiots from voting, it wouldn't be democracy because we would going against the majority.
Disagreeing with someone is cause to argue against them using our nifty free speech laws, not persecute them using the government.
She does not contribute to society, she contributes to her family, its not the same.
So why do you continue to support Obama again?
Democracy doesn't work, that's why the United States is a Constitutional republic, not a democracy.
When I was twenty I was knowledgable enough that I wouldn't have fallen for that "Global Warming" scam. Since most of the little kiddies suck it up like milk, I'd have to say that you people aren't as aware of what's in the real world as you like to claim.
And I've NEVER been stupid enough to vote for a Republican. Most of your generation cannot say that.I've NEVER been stupid enough to vote for a Democrat. Most of your generation can't say that.
Yeah, the problems your generation caused. Idiotic, outrageous deficits.The problems MY generation caused? No. The socialism destroying this country got it's biggest pushes by our grandparents in the Depression and into the Sixties.
Your generation mostly embraced greed; and we are now paying for it with economic collapse.MY generation mostly embraced capitalism. As everyone knows, capitalism is the only possible philosophy a free society can have.
Since your generation is foolish enough to reject democracy, preferring to enlist in oligarchy, it is fortunate that my generation is rescuing us from the cliff you have attempted to throw us off of.So, since your generation is foolish enough to reject freedom and embrace socialism, your generation is going to lead the charge over the cliff your great grandparents led you to and which my generation tried to back away from.
I understand what you are saying.
Why should everyone be able to vote when most don't understand the concepts of which our government was founded on?
They only hurt the freedoms and liberty we are supposed to enjoy from their complete ignorance and stupidity.
Only law abiding citizens who are not incarcerated should be allowed to vote. If you can prove the above then nothing should stop you from voting. One shouldn't need to make certain wages or be in a certain income bracket to vote. Citizens regardless of income tax bracket status still pay sales taxes, vehicle registrations,hunting permits, state taxes and many other taxes.Currently 40% of Americans pay no income tax, should these financial failures be permited to influence the country?
Also should people on government assistence be permited to vote?
I understand the "right" to vote can not be removed ... but what if?
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