Should the USA make biological weapons - or should only China do it?

[joko104]

The Wuhan lab is a biological weapons laboratory - huge. I have always said that the greatest danger to the human race and most dangerous of all WMDs is biological.

The USA helped finance and provide expert medical expertise towards China having biological weapons production facilities and research. Notably this also made able doing unthinkable things to animals that wouldn't fly in the USA. For whatever insane reasons we don't even ask China to stop making biological weapons - which is what gain of function research is.

So shouldn't the USA also have biological research and development of biological WMDs? Or should just China be allowed to search for biological weapons that kill people upon ethnicity, blood type or other specific markers prevalent in the population of other countries, racial groups, ethnic groups etc?

Multiple choice.

In my opinion we should demand China shut it down or we will destroy it. If China then goes to nuclear war exterminating the human race, then we knew they would use biological WMDs. If not, then we should understand biological WMD research and product on the same scale as the Manhattan project. It is biological weapon development that threatens not only extinction of the human race, but all mammals or even all life forms on earth.

 

[Gatsby]

You make the weirdest threads. Are they just stream-of-consciousness, or is this what you actually spend time thinking about?

 

[CaughtInThe]

You make the weirdest threads.

 

[Ouroboros]

Got a lot of votes though.

 

[AmNat]

The Wuhan lab is a biological weapons laboratory - huge. I have always said that the greatest danger to the human race and most dangerous of all WMDs is biological.

The USA helped finance and provide expert medical expertise towards China having biological weapons production facilities and research. Notably this also made able doing unthinkable things to animals that wouldn't fly in the USA. For whatever insane reasons we don't even ask China to stop making biological weapons - which is what gain of function research is.

So shouldn't the USA also have biological research and development of biological WMDs? Or should just China be allowed to search for biological weapons that kill people upon ethnicity, blood type or other specific markers prevalent in the population of other countries, racial groups, ethnic groups etc?

Multiple choice.

In my opinion we should demand China shut it down or we will destroy it. If China then goes to nuclear war exterminating the human race, then we knew they would use biological WMDs. If not, then we should understand biological WMD research and product on the same scale as the Manhattan project. It is biological weapon development that threatens not only extinction of the human race, but all mammals or even all life forms on earth.

The first thing the US government should do is stop funding gain-of-function research.

 

[reflechissez]

Got a lot of votes though.

It's 3 people.

 

[Big Brother]

Biological weapons are the future of war. They are perfect in that they can be used to specifically target susceptible people while not harming the planet and destroying infrastructure. Don't think for a second that all powerful countries haven't seen the immense power of a microscopic entity to bring the entire developed world to its knees. Covid was the warning shot. Get ready for the serious shit that's not far off. It doesn't take much to create genetically engineered superviruses and then the vaccines against them, and this research has been going on for over 20 years. The next war may be won without ever firing a shot.

 

[uptower]

Should the Ewoks stop stealing magic bananas off the Smurfs? I don't know, I'm just asking...

 

[Hatuey]

When race wars between blacks and whites don't pan out, you gotta see if the Chinese are up for any shenanigans.

Just another day in made up land.

 

[Airyaman]

Not a very effective weapon since COVID19 is about as bad as the common cold (according to the OP's fellow right wingers).

 

[Big Brother]

Not a very effective weapon since COVID19 is about as bad as the common cold (according to the OP's fellow right wingers).

It didn't need to be deadly, it just needed to shut down the western economies and cause economic and political chaos. At this point China can just cry wolf next time and the US and its allies will go into a complete lockdown for months based on a threat, not reality. And they can keep crying wolf until the western world no longer hides in total fear, and that will be the right time to release the real wolf. Game over, without ever firing a shot.

 

[Airyaman]

It didn't need to be deadly, it just needed to shut down the western economies and cause economic and political chaos. At this point China can just cry wolf next time and the US and its allies will go into a complete lockdown for months based on a threat, not reality. And they can keep crying wolf until the western world no longer hides in total fear, and that will be the right time to release the real wolf. Game over, without ever firing a shot.

Blame that on the government, not the "mild" virus.

 

[BlueTex]

Biological weapons are the future of war. They are perfect in that they can be used to specifically target susceptible people while not harming the planet and destroying infrastructure. Don't think for a second that all powerful countries haven't seen the immense power of a microscopic entity to bring the entire developed world to its knees. Covid was the warning shot. Get ready for the serious shit that's not far off. It doesn't take much to create genetically engineered superviruses and then the vaccines against them, and this research has been going on for over 20 years. The next war may be won without ever firing a shot.

Can you think of one big disadvantage of biological weapons?

 

[Big Brother]

Can you think of one big disadvantage of biological weapons?

They could potentially wipe out humanity? So can nuclear war and war in general, but that won't stop stupid politicians from doing it.

 

[BlueTex]

They could potentially wipe out humanity? So can nuclear war and war in general, but that won't stop stupid politicians from doing it.

It kills your people as easily as it kills the "enemy" and unlike other weapons, you don't just turn it off... Biological weapons are not some new idea...

 

[Big Brother]

Biological weapons are not some new idea...

Of course not, Agent Orange was a biological weapon containing Dioxin. But genetically engineered superviruses and superbugs have the potential to be very sophisticated weapons that can have on off mechanisms and people are dumb enough to have faith in those on off mechanisms, most of all top military personnel and politicians. I personally saw a long presentation at the BIO 2001 conference in San Diego that detailed the upcoming strategies for creating super bioweapons. Most scientists agree that this kind of research should be forever avoided, but in our quest for bigger and more devastating weapons they have become very interesting to warring nations, and Dr. Fauci.

 

[BlueTex]

Of course not, Agent Orange was a biological weapon containing Dioxin. But genetically engineered superviruses and superbugs have the potential to be very sophisticated weapons that can have on off mechanisms and people are dumb enough to have faith in those on off mechanisms, most of all top military personnel and politicians. I personally saw a long presentation at the BIO 2001 conference in San Diego that detailed the upcoming strategies for creating super bioweapons. Most scientists agree that this kind of research should be forever avoided, but in our quest for bigger and more devastating weapons they have become very interesting to warring nations, and Dr. Fauci.

Good lord, Agent Orange was not a biological weapon...

 

[Ouroboros]

Not a very effective weapon since COVID19 is about as bad as the common cold (according to the OP's fellow right wingers).

Do YOU think Covid was mild?

 

[Airyaman]

Do YOU think Covid was mild?

Nope, but I love the logical pretzels right wingers put themselves into over COVID19.

 

[Big Brother]

Good lord, Agent Orange was not a biological weapon...

https://blogs.unimelb.edu.au/scienc...the-smallest-soldiers-might-be-the-deadliest/

"But more specifically, we’re talking about micro-organisms like bacteria, viruses, fungi and parasites, (though viruses are more self-replicating than living). Bioweapons can also include toxins and herbicides, overlapping classification as biochemical agents.

Bioterrorism and biowarfare would then refer to the strategic use of these biological agents in attacks."

You can call it whatever you want and go on a crusade to educate the world to a much stricter definition if you want. Have fun.

 

[Ouroboros]

Nope, but I love the logical pretzels right wingers put themselves into over COVID19.

I got that, but if Covid is not mild that reinforces the OP’s position.

 

[Airyaman]

I got that, but if Covid is not mild that reinforces the OP’s position.

Perhaps, but unless we get some sort of confirmation that China intended this to be a biological weapon, it's just conspiracy.

 

[HonestJoe]

The Wuhan lab is a biological weapons laboratory

No it isn't. It's actually a collection of distinct laboratory facilities which are used to do a wide range of research and development for and by a range of different organisations and institutions, including some Americans ones.

I have always said that the greatest danger to the human race and most dangerous of all WMDs is biological.

That is true. That's why it is important to carry out research to understand those threats and develop preventative and protective measures.

The USA helped finance and provide expert medical expertise towards China having biological weapons production facilities and research.

Production facilities? Do you have anything to back that claim up? As I already mentioned, though the labs are in China, the work there is done by and for all sorts of organisations from around the world.

So shouldn't the USA also have biological research and development of biological WMDs?

You do, in the US and elsewhere. Some of the work being done in Wuhan labs was for American organisations and coordinated with work done in US labs. That was one of the big controversies that blew up from all of this. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the reasons they off-shored this kind of work was so that if anything goes wrong, they could try to shift the blame China, like you're belatedly trying to do here.

Or should just China be allowed to search for biological weapons that kill people upon ethnicity, blood type or other specific markers prevalent in the population of other countries, racial groups, ethnic groups etc?

I believe there are various treaties against it though it is difficult to prevent it happening and I wouldn't be at all surprised if most developed nations are doing the same.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Blame that on the government, not the "mild" virus.

That's why it's so dastardly cunning! It's a mild virus that's killing millions while we laugh at facemasks!

Also, there are plenty more bad actors with bioweapons research labs than the US or China. Trump buddies Putin and the lovely Kim Jong-un for two.

 

[joko104]

Why do people yawn about this? Because the super elites who make their money marketing Chinese products and the government dare not upset China?
Contagious and spreadable diseases have killed vastly more people than all the wars combined. Even natural diseases have caused total human extinction. For example, EVERY indigenous people on every Caribbean Island - Cuba, Haiti etc - were killed by Western disease. Overall, as much and 95% of the peoples of the Americans were killed by disease. That is just one example. And those were natural diseases. What is the natural safeguard against manipulated created disease? None.
Nor is the risk only to humans, but all animals - land and sea - and plants. It would take one new disease to erase the human race, erase every mammal, kill off plankton (and then we die for lack of oxygen), vegetation. A reason ordinary CD roms came to have short life spans is due to plastic and oil eating enzymes humans created. Usually when humans artificially alter nature the law of unintended consequences takes over.

I would rather scientists be recklessly messing with nuclear bombs than micro organisms. A nuclear bomb can not exterminate the human race or other life on earth. Just one micro organism could - regardless of motive, who or why.

Is there any positive to China making new lethal diseases regardless of motive? No one has even suggested any. Can name one GOOD thing from the Wuhan lab - other than those you like torturing animals as it certainly it good for that. It certainly has not helped for this pandemic. In fact, China became totally secretive, China outright lying, and the Wuhan lab has not helped 1 iota with Covid-19.
Personally, whether accidental or deliberate, China used this to its great advantage and as a threat, making it clear they could slaughter the USA, Westerners or any other region with biological attacks - while maintaining total deniability at the same time. What are we going to do about it?