Should the US Sue the Chinese Government over COVID

[TurtleDude]

I saw Right wing activist Larry Klayman has filed a civil suit in federal court against China, along with filing a criminal complaint in some international tribunal as well. Do you think the USA or entities in the USA should sue the Chinese Government for the obvious damage the Chinese sourced virus has caused the USA and if successful, should Chinese assets in the USA be seized?

 

[Oborosen]

I saw Right wing activist Larry Klayman has filed a civil suit in federal court against China, along with filing a criminal complaint in some international tribunal as well. Do you think the USA or entities in the USA should sue the Chinese Government for the obvious damage the Chinese sourced virus has caused the USA and if successful, should Chinese assets in the USA be seized?

Its an interest thought, but it would be one of those things that we could possibly never enforce.

 

[TurtleDude]

Its an interest thought, but it would be one of those things that we could possibly never enforce.

Klayman noted billions of chinese investments in the USA that could be "attached" to satisfy a judgment

 

[uptower]

International courts are slow; by nature they can be political, and the American Right - which is more interested in finding a foreign actor to blame - never had much use for international tribunals anyway. The US isn't even a party to he ICC is it? For those reasons I doubt it will happen. I'd imagine that like say, suing Saudi Arabia for its involvement in 9/11, it can be done in an American court and will be more symbolic than anything.

Now if the US government wishes to hold China accountable for missteps, some manner of trade sanctions or tariffs would be more traditional. Problem is of course a country like China can counterpunch with its own economic measures.

Lastly America has to agree it was China's 'fault' and right now more than half the country is busy watching its own leader fumble and flail like a toddler. Glass houses and all that.

 

[TurtleDude]

International courts are slow; by nature they can be political, and the American Right - which is more interested in finding a foreign actor to blame - never had much use for international tribunals anyway. The US isn't even a party to he ICC is it? For those reasons I doubt it will happen. I'd imagine that like say, suing Saudi Arabia for its involvement in 9/11, it can be done in an American court and will be more symbolic than anything.

Now if the US government wishes to hold China accountable for missteps, some manner of trade sanctions or tariffs would be more traditional. Problem is of course a country like China can counterpunch with its own economic measures.

Lastly America has to agree it was China's 'fault' and right now more than half the country is busy watching its own leader fumble and flail like a toddler. Glass houses and all that.

TDS really has no part in this thread.

 

[Chomsky]

Klayman noted billions of chinese investments in the USA that could be "attached" to satisfy a judgment

"Chinese" investments? By individuals? By business entities? By the Chinese government? The CCP?

Winning a suit against the Chinese government, and then going after individual or business assets, would seem to me to open up a huge can of worms. Besides, I highly doubt any judge would attach the assets of businesses or individuals, for a judgement against the Chinese government.

 

[Oborosen]

Glass houses and all that.

Given that the lot you were still attempting to get the man impeached, while he was already working to counter the virus.

The irony of that last statement, has just made my night.

 

[ecofarm]

Given that the lot you were still attempting to get the man impeached, while he was already working to counter the virus.

The irony of that last statement, has just made my night.

Feb 5: Acquitted
Feb 28: Hoax

 

[Felis Leo]

I saw Right wing activist Larry Klayman has filed a civil suit in federal court against China, along with filing a criminal complaint in some international tribunal as well. Do you think the USA or entities in the USA should sue the Chinese Government for the obvious damage the Chinese sourced virus has caused the USA and if successful, should Chinese assets in the USA be seized?

Only those assets owned by the Chinese government or entities directly controlled by the Chinese government, not by private citizens. I am not a big fan of expedient populist nationalization.

 

[Oborosen]

"Chinese" investments? By individuals? By business entities? By the Chinese government? The CCP?

Winning a suit against the Chinese government, and then going after individual or business assets, would seem to me to open up a huge can of worms. Besides, I highly doubt any judge would attach the assets of businesses or individuals, for a judgement against the Chinese government.

Well.. let's be honest here. What's the possibility of those larger business investments, not being directly run, or under the purview of their government?

Still a big can of worms to be sure.

 

[Oborosen]

Only those assets owned by the Chinese government or entities directly controlled by the Chinese government, not by private citizens. I am not a big fan of expedient populist nationalization.

Sounds like a grunge ska band.

 

[Chomsky]

International courts are slow; by nature they can be political, and the American Right - which is more interested in finding a foreign actor to blame - never had much use for international tribunals anyway. The US isn't even a party to he ICC is it? For those reasons I doubt it will happen. I'd imagine that like say, suing Saudi Arabia for its involvement in 9/11, it can be done in an American court and will be more symbolic than anything.

Now if the US government wishes to hold China accountable for missteps, some manner of trade sanctions or tariffs would be more traditional. Problem is of course a country like China can counterpunch with its own economic measures.

Lastly America has to agree it was China's 'fault' and right now more than half the country is busy watching its own leader fumble and flail like a toddler. Glass houses and all that.

Yep. The U.S. best shot at reforming China would be in unison with the world community. Every country on the planet is likely really pissed-off!

 

[ecofarm]

Yep. The U.S. best shot at reforming China would be in unison with the world community. Every country on the planet is likely really pissed-off!

The answer is always world development.

 

[Chomsky]

Well.. let's be honest here. What's the possibility of those larger business investments, not being directly run, or under the purview of their government?

Still a big can of worms to be sure.

Agreed. But you'd have to convince a federal judge of that.

 

[ecofarm]

TDS really has no part in this thread.

"I call them the original thirteen. And the last one is getting out of the hospital soon... Probably... Maybe... Getting better anyway... Or not... Thirteen and soon to be zero."


Like he was getting hints from someone during the speech. "X-nay on the x-thirteenthay. Not makin itay." "No, seriously, stop saying the thirteenth will make it, he's not."

Trump walked back the health on #13 for a good few minutes.

 

[Helix]

we should only sue them if there's a chance that they will return the strawberries along with the key.

 

[Bucky]

"Chinese" investments? By individuals? By business entities? By the Chinese government? The CCP?

Winning a suit against the Chinese government, and then going after individual or business assets, would seem to me to open up a huge can of worms. Besides, I highly doubt any judge would attach the assets of businesses or individuals, for a judgement against the Chinese government.

Trump can ban US government pension funds from investing in Chinese companies.

We are too heavily nonchalant about relying on Chinese companies. Tik Tok and Zoom Video are Chinese companies yet Americans are using these services a lot the past year.

 

[ecofarm]

we should only sue them if there's a chance that they will return the strawberries along with the key.

That's funny without knowing the specific reference.

 

[TurtleDude]

Agreed. But you'd have to convince a federal judge of that.

That's true. I think we will see a backlash against Chinese products. Two sports I am currently active in are archery and Table Tennis. Many of the better made but less expensive limbs for Olympic Target bows and all carbon arrows are being made by SanLida which is a huge archery manufacturer in China. Both USA distributors and "makers" as well as Korean (another leading source of archery goods) have manufacturing facilities in China. I know tons of people in the business-retailers, designers, makers and wholesalers and they are starting to see a drop in orders for Chinese made gear. In table tennis, the paddles are made in several countries-Germany, Sweden, Japan and China are the four biggest but almost all the rubber sheets are made in Japan or China (with some using Japanese sponge with a Chinese rubber sheet on top). While there really is not a "Best" maker of the bare paddles, almost all the world ranked players are using Japanese or Chinese made rubber sheets. While at the top level, the Japanese sheets are more expensive, the best lower or medium priced goods are from China. Chinese made table tennis balls (DHS, Gambler, Kingnik) are cheaper and often play as well as the 3 dollar per ball Japanese Nittaku. I will watch with interest if the retailers in the USA who mainly sell Chinese made products take a hit

 

[Oborosen]

Feb 5: Acquitted
Feb 28: Hoax

Covid-19 task force establish on January 29.

PolitiFact | Ad Watch: Biden video twists Trump’s words on coronavirus
Continuing the "hoax" lie will only get you laughed at more than usual.

So let me start now and get my chuckles out of the way. :lamo

 

[chuckiechan]

I saw Right wing activist Larry Klayman has filed a civil suit in federal court against China, along with filing a criminal complaint in some international tribunal as well. Do you think the USA or entities in the USA should sue the Chinese Government for the obvious damage the Chinese sourced virus has caused the USA and if successful, should Chinese assets in the USA be seized?

I’m all for it even though it’s a waste of time. At least now, only but the dullest of citizens realize what a dangerous position the multinational business community put America in with the cooperation of congress. All the time congress critters raked in campaign money and never looked back.

Exposing China and America’s elites for who they really are, is almost worth it.

 

[ecofarm]

Covid-19 task force establish on January 29.

PolitiFact | Ad Watch: Biden video twists Trump’s words on coronavirus
Continuing the "hoax" lie will only get you laughed at more than usual.

So let me start now and get my chuckles out of the way. :lamo

On Jan 29 we put Pence and the Twelve Loyal Bureaucrats on the job. And it was downhill from there. Later, we also created a pandemic response force. That was Jared. Total failure. Pence eventually lost his job to Fauci, thank God. Jared's job went to the Governors.

 

[Lursa]

I saw Right wing activist Larry Klayman has filed a civil suit in federal court against China, along with filing a criminal complaint in some international tribunal as well. Do you think the USA or entities in the USA should sue the Chinese Government for the obvious damage the Chinese sourced virus has caused the USA and if successful, should Chinese assets in the USA be seized?

What would the specific charge be? What would be the specific 'fault' or blame placed on China? (If you dont have a specific charge) What are you holding them accountable for?

 

[uptower]

Given that the lot you were still attempting to get the man impeached, while he was already working to counter the virus.

The irony of that last statement, has just made my night.

I don't see those to timelines converging at all. Trump didn't start doing anything till late January and then only baby steps. He spent most of the time golfing and running rallies.

 

[uptower]

TDS really has no part in this thread.

Since it's an imaginary term it has no part in any thread outside conspiracy theories.

As for the relevance of Trump's role here, I find that these blame China deflections are a recent trend that have gained more ground since it was pointed out he ignored his own people's warnings. It's lucky for the Trumpies that this time they're partly right - China bears the blame for the earliest mistakes because the ball was entirely in their court at the time.