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21 years MAX for murder??
Hey, if it works, why not?Norway has the most progressive justice system in the world. In Norway, fewer than 4,000 of the country's 5 million people were behind bars as of August 2014. That makes Norway's incarceration rate just 75 per 100,000 people, compared to 707 people for every 100,000 people in the US.
To the bolded:Realistically, our incarceration numbers would make such living arrangements prohibitively expensive.
But i think we can learn from their example. Prisoners are still humans, they deserve to be treated with respect. If you treat prisoners like dogs, you shouldn't be surprised when they start barking like dogs. The Stanford prison experiment showed this decades ago: people are a product of their environment.
Considering the average time served for murder in my city was around 7 years, that might be fair. I once worked with a released murderer, and he did 6.5 years inside.21 years MAX for murder??
How much did do you hate your MIL again?
Yes and no..
A person is up for release/parole after 21 years. The system of doctors, psychologists and police then evaluate if the person is fit enough to be released or is still a threat to society. If not, then he/she goes back into the can for another 4-5 years, and the process is repeated. Also in the end, it is up to the Justice Minister (aka the government) if the person is released. That is why Brevik will never ever be released.
In many ways it is a great way of doing things. You dont end up with "lifers" like in the US, where men/women have been in jail for 30+ years and are basically going to die there even though they are no threat to society at all. One of the main problems of the US prison system is the old age population is exploding due to the 3 strikes rule... which have put people in jail for non violent crimes and will put a massive burden in the long run on the prison system. The older a prisoner gets, the more care they need.
Hey, if it works, why not?
Numbers don't lie.
Thanks for the post.
To the bolded:
Then perhaps our incarceration levels are unrealistically high! :doh
Considering the average time served for murder in my city was around 7 years, that might be fair. I once worked with a released murderer, and he did 6.5 years inside.
I didn't place that value on human life - society did.is that how much you value a human life
6.5 years?
not just no....hell no
you do the crime....you pay with time....20 years for murder 2
more for murder 1.....
and yes....i like and believe in the death penalty
I didn't place that value on human life - society did.
My opinion: In general, it should be longer; and obviously the individual circumstances determine the length and severity. I really can't see less than 15-20 years (served) for premeditated.and your opinion on the matter?
to me....way too short of a term for ending an innocents life
Norway has the most progressive justice system in the world. In Norway, fewer than 4,000 of the country's 5 million people were behind bars as of August 2014. That makes Norway's incarceration rate just 75 per 100,000 people, compared to 707 people for every 100,000 people in the US. On top of that, when criminals in Norway leave prison, they stay out. It has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world at 20%. The US has one of the highest: 76.6% of prisoners are re-arrested within five years. The maximum sentence in Norway, even for murder, is 21 years. Since most inmates will eventually return to society, prisons mimic the outside world as much as possible to prepare them for freedom. At Halden, rooms include en-suite bathrooms with ceramic tiles, mini-fridges and flat-screen TVs. Every 10 to 12 cells share a kitchen and living room, where prisoners prepare their evening meals and relax after a day of work.
To ease the psychological burdens of imprisonment, the planners at Halden spent roughly $1 million on paintings, photography and light installations. According to a prison informational pamphlet, this mural by Norwegian graffiti artist Dolk "brings a touch of humor to a rather controlled space." Officials hope the art — along with creative outlets like drawing classes and wood workshops — will give inmates "a sense of being taken seriously." Photo taken 2010. None of the windows at Halden have bars.
There's also a recording studio with a professional mixing board. In-house music teachers — who refer to the inmates as "pupils," never "prisoners" — work with their charges on piano, guitar, bongos and more. Three members of Halden's security-guard chorus recently competed on Norway's version of American Idol. They hope to produce the prison's first musical — starring inmates — later this year. Photo taken 2010.
Halden's architects preserved trees across the 75-acre site to obscure the 20-ft.-high security wall that surrounds the perimeter, in order to minimize the institutional feel and, in the words of one architect, to "let the inmates see all of the seasons." Benches and stone chessboards dot this jogging trail. Photo taken 2010. Halden's architects preserved trees across the 75-acre site to obscure the 20-ft.-high security wall that surrounds the perimeter, in order to minimize the institutional feel and, in the words of one architect, to "let the inmates see all of the seasons." Benches and stone chessboards dot this jogging trail. Photo taken 2010. The prison's exterior features earthy brown hues that help it blend in with the surrounding woodlands. Inside, however, the walls explode with color. Halden hired an interior decorator who used 18 different colors to create a sense of variety and stimulate various moods. A calming shade of green creates a soothing atmosphere in the cells, while a vivid orange brings energy to the library and other working areas. A two-bedroom guesthouse, where inmates can host their families overnight, includes a conjugal room painted a fiery red.
Norway's prison guards undergo two years of training at an officers' academy and enjoy an elevated status compared with their peers in the U.S. and Britain. Their official job description says they must motivate the inmate "so that his sentence is as meaningful, enlightening and rehabilitating as possible," so they frequently eat meals and play sports with prisoners. At Halden, half of all guards are female, which its governor believes reduces tension and encourages good behavior. To help inmates develop routines and to reduce the monotony of confinement, designers spread Halden's living quarters, work areas and activity centers across the prison grounds.
So do they get sex-change operations on the public dime in Norway prisons?
Our prison system is already too easy. That's why there is a revolving door and the recidivism is so high here. It's supposed to be punishment. Our prisoners could always opt to move to Norway (after release, of course).
Norway has the most progressive justice system in the world. In Norway, fewer than 4,000 of the country's 5 million people were behind bars as of August 2014. That makes Norway's incarceration rate just 75 per 100,000 people, compared to 707 people for every 100,000 people in the US. On top of that, when criminals in Norway leave prison, they stay out. It has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world at 20%. The US has one of the highest: 76.6% of prisoners are re-arrested within five years. The maximum sentence in Norway, even for murder, is 21 years. Since most inmates will eventually return to society, prisons mimic the outside world as much as possible to prepare them for freedom. At Halden, rooms include en-suite bathrooms with ceramic tiles, mini-fridges and flat-screen TVs. Every 10 to 12 cells share a kitchen and living room, where prisoners prepare their evening meals and relax after a day of work.
To ease the psychological burdens of imprisonment, the planners at Halden spent roughly $1 million on paintings, photography and light installations. According to a prison informational pamphlet, this mural by Norwegian graffiti artist Dolk "brings a touch of humor to a rather controlled space." Officials hope the art — along with creative outlets like drawing classes and wood workshops — will give inmates "a sense of being taken seriously." Photo taken 2010. None of the windows at Halden have bars.
There's also a recording studio with a professional mixing board. In-house music teachers — who refer to the inmates as "pupils," never "prisoners" — work with their charges on piano, guitar, bongos and more. Three members of Halden's security-guard chorus recently competed on Norway's version of American Idol. They hope to produce the prison's first musical — starring inmates — later this year. Photo taken 2010.
Halden's architects preserved trees across the 75-acre site to obscure the 20-ft.-high security wall that surrounds the perimeter, in order to minimize the institutional feel and, in the words of one architect, to "let the inmates see all of the seasons." Benches and stone chessboards dot this jogging trail. Photo taken 2010. Halden's architects preserved trees across the 75-acre site to obscure the 20-ft.-high security wall that surrounds the perimeter, in order to minimize the institutional feel and, in the words of one architect, to "let the inmates see all of the seasons." Benches and stone chessboards dot this jogging trail. Photo taken 2010. The prison's exterior features earthy brown hues that help it blend in with the surrounding woodlands. Inside, however, the walls explode with color. Halden hired an interior decorator who used 18 different colors to create a sense of variety and stimulate various moods. A calming shade of green creates a soothing atmosphere in the cells, while a vivid orange brings energy to the library and other working areas. A two-bedroom guesthouse, where inmates can host their families overnight, includes a conjugal room painted a fiery red.
Norway's prison guards undergo two years of training at an officers' academy and enjoy an elevated status compared with their peers in the U.S. and Britain. Their official job description says they must motivate the inmate "so that his sentence is as meaningful, enlightening and rehabilitating as possible," so they frequently eat meals and play sports with prisoners. At Halden, half of all guards are female, which its governor believes reduces tension and encourages good behavior. To help inmates develop routines and to reduce the monotony of confinement, designers spread Halden's living quarters, work areas and activity centers across the prison grounds.
Almost makes me want to go to jail.
Your prison system is too easy? LOL. It is a massive billion dollar business and that is why there is a revolving door. Any and all excuses to put people in prison is more money to the prison industry...
Hey, if it works, why not?
Numbers don't lie.
Thanks for the post.
To the bolded:
Then perhaps our incarceration levels are unrealistically high! :doh
Considering the average time served for murder in my city was around 7 years, that might be fair. I once worked with a released murderer, and he did 6.5 years inside.
Realistically, our incarceration numbers would make such living arrangements prohibitively expensive.
But i think we can learn from their example. Prisoners are still humans, they deserve to be treated with respect. If you treat prisoners like dogs, you shouldn't be surprised when they start barking like dogs. The Stanford prison experiment showed this decades ago: people are a product of their environment.
I have no knowledge of rape sentencing, nor did I touch on it in my posts.The real question is why in your example rape is a higher offense than murder. Stick your penis in a woman get 20 years, blow her head off and plead insanity, get 5 years in a looney bin unless you screw up your defense.
I have no knowledge of rape sentencing, nor did I touch on it in my posts.
I have no idea what your talking about here.
No idea, but it should rank at or near the top, I suspect.I AM REFERRING TO YOUR CLAIM OF 7 YEAR AVERAGE, for murder, which is quite often lower than punishment for rape or drug dealing in america. I am just referring to why murder is so low on the punishment scale, when it is the highest of crimes.
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