Should the US continue to aid Ukraine as it attacks inside of Russia?

[lwf]

What prompted that invasion? Read the links I shared to find out.

NATO joined the U.S. in Afghanistan and elsewhere. Those were attacks prompted by false flags, and with the intent of controlling oil resources in Iraq and halting threats to the petrodollar plus figuring out how to gain from minerals and possible oil resources in the Afghan region. The irony is that in Russia even helped the U.S. in maintaining control of Afghanistan, and the U.S. went against Russia because the latter chose to aid its Syrian allies.

Now, NATO wants to open shop in the Pacific. You've been living in a fantasy world the whole time.

Putin’s desire to restore the Russian empire is what prompted the invasion. Russia was never “provoked” by NATO. The NATO provocation line of bullshit is a red herring. Putin invaded Ukraine because he wanted the land returned to his authoritarian control. Full stop. NATO had nothing to do with it and was not a threat to Russia in the 21st century. It is a defensive alliance of sovereign democratic nations. You have been duped by Russian propaganda.

What Putin fears most is the Russian people. His true aim is to prevent the Russian people from choosing their own leader and making their own decisions about the path of their country, and he is willing to sacrifice any number of them to keep himself in power. What he fears is not NATO or Ukraine or the US. He fears democracy, because people living in a democracy can remove an irresponsible leader for mortgaging their futures in order to keep himself in power and hold him accountable for his crimes and the lives he sacrificed in a vanity war.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/putin-soviet-union-next-move
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/19/rus...to-idea-of-reviving-soviet-union-ukraine.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/16/romney-russia-ukraine-nato-527207
https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/what-putin-fears-most/

 

[ralfy]

Putin’s desire to restore the Russian empire is what prompted the invasion. Russia was never “provoked” by NATO. The NATO provocation line of bullshit is a red herring. Putin invaded Ukraine because he wanted the land returned to his authoritarian control. Full stop. NATO had nothing to do with it and was not a threat to Russia in the 21st century. It is a defensive alliance of sovereign democratic nations. You have been duped by Russian propaganda.

What Putin fears most is the Russian people. His true aim is to prevent the Russian people from choosing their own leader and making their own decisions about the path of their country, and he is willing to sacrifice any number of them to keep himself in power. What he fears is not NATO or Ukraine or the US. He fears democracy, because people living in a democracy can remove an irresponsible leader for mortgaging their futures in order to keep himself in power and hold him accountable for his crimes and the lives he sacrificed in a vanity war.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/putin-soviet-union-next-move
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/19/rus...to-idea-of-reviving-soviet-union-ukraine.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/16/romney-russia-ukraine-nato-527207
https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/what-putin-fears-most/

The Russian empire story was started by Reagan and continued even after the same empire fell apart. That's why what's bullshit isn't the NATO provocation line but NATO enlargement brought about by a combination of neoconservatism (as seen in the Wolfowitz Doctrine) and Clinton's chickenhawkery in order to win elections against Dole.

The same goes for talking points like Putin fearing the Russian people, or Xi fearing the Chinese people, and similar nonsense. The reality is that the U.S. worked readily with Russia when it was to the advantage of the U.S. (which is what happened over Afghanistan) and then attacked it when otherwise (which is what happened after the Syrian civil war). Meanwhile, with your neocon "he fears democracy" talking points who's one of the main trading partner of the U.S. but China? Who's its trading partner and military ally? Saudi Arabia. And it arms Saudi Arabia, together with Egypt and Jordan, over Israel.

Fears democracy, my foot. Why are you kidding?

 

[Rumpel]

Should the US continue to aid Ukraine as it attacks inside of Russia?​

Why not?

 

[lwf]

The Russian empire story was started by Reagan and continued even after the same empire fell apart. That's why what's bullshit isn't the NATO provocation line but NATO enlargement brought about by a combination of neoconservatism (as seen in the Wolfowitz Doctrine) and Clinton's chickenhawkery in order to win elections against Dole.

The same goes for talking points like Putin fearing the Russian people, or Xi fearing the Chinese people, and similar nonsense. The reality is that the U.S. worked readily with Russia when it was to the advantage of the U.S. (which is what happened over Afghanistan) and then attacked it when otherwise (which is what happened after the Syrian civil war). Meanwhile, with your neocon "he fears democracy" talking points who's one of the main trading partner of the U.S. but China? Who's its trading partner and military ally? Saudi Arabia. And it arms Saudi Arabia, together with Egypt and Jordan, over Israel.

Fears democracy, my foot. Why are you kidding?

The Russian empire "story" is being proven by the Russians as we speak. Russia illegally annexed a part of a neighboring country and is right now invading the rest of it with the intention of claiming it as Russian territory. That is the definition of imperialism. Extending a country's borders through military force.

Russia can never again claim that their desire to expand their borders into Europe by military force is a hoax or western propaganda. They have proven it with their current actions in Ukraine. Russia unequivocally and unarguably intends to expand it's borders through military force.

 

[coyote505]

For supporting Ukraine's attacks inside Russia.

You aid Ukraine and make it well known it is Ukraine taking the war to the aggressor.

Those people are already feeling that economic pain and many of them are feeling the pain of Putin's war via the TOTALLY NEEDLESS casualties!

Russians are dying for Putin's folly, but the Russian people are not in any position to stop him short of an all out revolution, and lord knows that is not a desirable tact.

What has to be damaged and destroyed is Putin and perhaps as many as four levels of command below him.

The total destruction of Russia's oil and gas industry would be another worthwhile goal, both to destroy Russia's ability to finance its war, and as retribution for Russia's wanton destruction of Ukraine's agriculture and its citizens. Restitution would be a pipedream, therefore Retribution is needed.

 

[ralfy]

Why not?

The U.S. was manipulating Ukraine for years, and used it against Russia. Now, it's profiting from aid sent to the latter and plans to take control of its economy as payment.

It has a long history of doing similar to various countries.