Should the United States use force and or tariffs to force Canada to merge with the United State.

[yankintx]

To get the Dems on board with the US taking Greenland a compromise, the GOP would allow PR statehood.

Fat chance lol

 

[Yes_Minister]

It's so nice to see a POTUS that is mentally able and willingly engaged in America First

I guess Canadians are not allowed to put Canada First eh?

 

[MAGAnificent]

Blame Reagan. He and Mulroney negotiated it.

I think you are confused. It was George HW Bush, Mulroey and the Mexican president at the time that negotiated it. Then Slick Willy(Bill Clinton) signed it into law. I largely blame those who signed it into law, Clinton and congress.

And then Trump demonstrated that an agreement with the US isn't worth a pinch of coon shit, that Americas word can't be trusted.

Well...to be honest, NAFTA was coon shit. I commend Trump for renegotiating it into the USMCA treaty.

 

[MAGAnificent]

According to this, Canadians are cheats and liars who steal from Americans, why should we love such statements?.

Actually we consider your politicians to be the cheats and liars....at least presently.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Subsidise how?
America would need 2 million troops just to occupy Canada in the face of ongoing guerrilla resistance. Canadians have guns too and plans.

???????

 

[gbg3]

When Trump came in the first time, he was a novelty to us. He was a shocking development, a weird side step in an otherwise long tradition of dignified presidents governing a country we highly respect.

Then he came at us, out of nowhere, over shit that never was a problem before - not to the extent that our relationship would be so tested. He insulted us, he cost us money and jobs - my job got axed as a direct result of his grandstanding, I was working in automotive at the time. I certainly wasn't the only one.

@OlNate - this part of your comment about Trump coming at you (meaning Canada) and insulting you, and your job loss being a "direct result of his grandstanding" certainly caught my eye. That's quite remarkable that you are equating your personal job loss (I don't know what year) "directly" to Trump. Then, throughout the thread, other posters jumped in with agreement that, because of Trump, you personally lost your job. Is it truly your belief that your job loss was a direct result of Donald Trump - and, specifically, "his grandstanding"? Do you actually think the business environment and economic conditions in Canada had nothing to do with that loss but, somehow, Trump was "directly" the cause of it?

Because of Trump's potential upcoming tariffs, Canada and its auto industry are making current news. I found this very recent NY Times piece talking about the Canadian auto industry (in general) since the Covid years, including electric vehicles, heavy Canadian subsidies (billions) in these battery plant ventures, and Chinese competition in the electric vehicle industry.

"The turmoil from possible tariffs comes at an already difficult time for Canada’s auto business. Many auto-parts manufacturers have yet to see their business return to levels from before the coronavirus pandemic because of lagging car sales. In 2020, Lanex had about 60 employees working on two shifts, but it now has about two dozen employees running a single shift.

The anxiety is particularly acute in Windsor, which has a metropolitan population of roughly 484,000. Aside from cargo trucks rumbling across the Ambassador Bridge, the city’s most obvious automotive symbol is a giant Stellantis factory that produces Chrysler Pacifica minivans as well as Dodge Charger muscle cars.

A city within the city, the European-based Stellantis employs 4,500 workers at the factory. Aided by billions of dollars in Canadian subsidies, it is building a battery plant in a joint venture with the South Korean company LG in Windsor and recently spent 1.89 billion Canadian dollars (about $1.3 billion) to retool its assembly plant to make electric vehicles alongside gasoline-powered ones.

But, like many auto makers, Stellantis is now in a slump as it struggles with the transition to electric vehicles and with competition from China."

Trump’s Tariff Threat Stokes Anxiety in Canada’s Auto-Industry Hub

The president-elect’s vow to impose 25 percent duties on Canadian imports could ravage Canada’s auto industry and decimate Windsor, a city deeply tied to the U.S.

www.nytimes.com

 

[gbg3]

No, they are because the tariff threats. OldNate lost his job because of Trump's grandstanding in his first term, are you fine with that?

It sounds like Trudeau has a Canadian tariff response ready for Trump tomorrow. And we'll see if Carney, Freeland, Gould and the others jumping in with hopes to replace Trudeau, plan to hold to the same plan as Trudeau announces tomorrow.

I'll be interested to watch if the general election happens in October or gets moved up. I would think this would be an important time for Canada to want to move more swiftly to sort out the leadership mess and get Canada on an actual path beyond what might just be a quite temporary one.

 

[LouC]

You do know they are a separate country, and therefore do not answer to our President right?

Gee, thanks, I had no idea!

 

[Yes_Minister]

Actually we consider your politicians to be the cheats and liars....at least presently.

And the Canadian public should be punished because you don't like the current government? Sounds like you hate Canada and want to inflict hardships on us. Sounds like you demand respect and then wish to disrespect us.

 

[Yes_Minister]

It sounds like Trudeau has a Canadian tariff response ready for Trump tomorrow. And we'll see if Carney, Freeland, Gould and the others jumping in with hopes to replace Trudeau, plan to hold to the same plan as Trudeau announces tomorrow.

I'll be interested to watch if the general election happens in October or gets moved up. I would think this would be an important time for Canada to want to move more swiftly to sort out the leadership mess and get Canada on an actual path beyond what might just be a quite temporary one.

So what these tariffs are in place to punish the public because Trump doesn't the current government? If so, it seems like you and Trump want to inflict hardships on the Canadian public because you simply don't like the current government. Sounds like you hate Canada.

 

[OlNate]

Whew, make whatever assumption you'd like and pat yourself on the back for thinking you've won some point or discussion ("where I beat you", lol). It sounds to me like you are spinning up into quite a bit of dramatic anger - "if there's any decency in you at all", "Shame on you, if you can even feel shame". My gosh, Canadians have such a tendency to need to jump away from talk of topics or politicians and directly to attempts at personal stuff directed at posters.

You accused my country of aiding terrorists, and now you're crying about personal stuff?

Assume I'm uninterested in your content going forward.

 

[LostInSeattle]

God your are so easy to trigger. I set up poll to ask a question and guys like you go out of your mind.
Either you are off your meds and need to get back on your meds or you are on meds and need to get off meds.

I have fun with people like you. I know now to poke you and step back and watch the fun.

You will by one of my little pleasures.
Poke and watch the fun.
Poke and watch the fun

Keep doing this until I am tired of it and you no longer amuse me.

You just described trolling.

 

[MAGAnificent]

And the Canadian public should be punished because you don't like the current government? Sounds like you hate Canada and want to inflict hardships on us. Sounds like you demand respect and then wish to disrespect us.

I don't actually hate anyone, even your leaders. I just wish they would be fair when it comes to trade. And any hardship on the Canadian public is on your leaders.

 

[Yes_Minister]

I don't actually hate anyone, even your leaders. I just wish they would be fair when it comes to trade. And any hardship on the Canadian public is on your leaders.

Except if the trade is unfair, was that achieved through Canada cheating or lying? Are you saying we were dishonest? Are you saying we deserve these tariffs for being dishonest?

 

[MAGAnificent]

Except if the trade is unfair, was that achieved through Canada cheating or lying? Are you saying we were dishonest? Are you saying we deserve these tariffs for being dishonest?

You would be taken more seriously if you would cease projecting. My complaints are largely over Canada flooding the American market with subsidized lumber and they are not taking their own border security seriously.

 

[Yes_Minister]

You would be taken more seriously if you would cease projecting. My complaints are largely over Canada flooding the American market with subsidized lumber and they are not taking their own border security seriously.

Like I said a billion times trade panels have ruled in Canada's on this issue and the US subsidizes several goods, including corn that you dump into Mexico.

Is trade between Canada and the US unfair due to dishonesty from Canada? It's a simple yes or no question.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Like I said a billion times trade panels have ruled in Canada's on this issue

Like I have said. I don't really give a **** about trade panels. A bad deal is a bad deal is a bad deal. Getting rubber stamped from a so-called trade panel does not change that.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Like I have said. I don't really give a **** about trade panels. A bad deal is a bad deal is a bad deal. Getting rubber stamped from a so-called trade panel does not change that.

So are the current deals bad due to Canadian dishonesty?

 

[MAGAnificent]

So are the current deals bad due to Canadian dishonesty?

You seem obssessed with the term dishonesty or lie. The current deals are just bad policy.

 

[Yes_Minister]

You seem obssessed with the term dishonesty or lie. The current deals are just bad policy.

And who's fault it? If you are saying Canada hasn't been acting as a dishonest, bad faith player, why do we deserve these tariffs?

Be honest, do you think these deals are unfair due to dishonesty and bad faith on Canada's or not? Because you even say that, then tariffs are just a bully tactic unfair squeeze Canada into a completely one-sided deal, that is a even a worse form of contempt from you?

Do you think OldNate deserved to lose his job due to Trump's grandstanding?

 

[MAGAnificent]

And who's fault it? If you are saying Canada hasn't been acting as a dishonest, bad faith player, why do we deserve these tariffs?

Be honest, do you think these deals are unfair due to dishonesty and bad faith on Canada's or not? Because you even say that, then tariffs are just a bully tactic unfair squeeze Canada into a completely one-sided deal, that is a even a worse form of contempt from you?

Do you think OldNate deserved to lose his job due to Trump's grandstanding?

You are still projecting. We can chat again when you get past that.

 

[gbg3]

You accused my country of aiding terrorists, and now you're crying about personal stuff?

Assume I'm uninterested in your content going forward.

Boy, you sure twist things dramatically and incorrectly. I didn't say your country aided terrorists. I said they freely travel through your country and into ours - without that being considered an issue or problem of or related to Canada. You were saying Canada didn't "start shit". My argument is the lack of concern Canada displays regarding this entry of terrorists from your country to ours is most certainly an example of "aiding shit" which can present terrible issues to the U.S. and its citizens!

Pursuing a trade deal which is fair and doesn't involve one sided "subsidies" can be viewed in a few different ways besides starting shit. Allowing terrorists to freely travel through your country and into ours, while saying that's our problem and not yours - I might argue is one form of aiding shit and then saying "who me?".

Terrorists absolutely enter our country via entering and traveling through yours first. It's a very real problem for us. Canadians say stopping them as they enter OUR country is our job and not their issue. It certainly seems to me that the terrorists entering from the north could be a joint problem each country would care about and be motivated to address cooperatively. This is exactly the kind of issue where the two countries could work very cooperatively - and I'm sure Trump would be most appreciative of that cooperation! Canada can decide to care about these U.S. concerns or not. We'll see where all this goes, won't we?

"Of the 410 terror suspects stopped at a U.S. land border crossing in the past year, 87 per cent came from Canada, according to data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection."

"In the last fiscal year, 358 individuals on the terror watchlist were stopped at a Canadian border crossing, as compared to 52 stopped at a Mexican border crossing.

In 2022, Canada yielded 82 per cent of the 380 terror suspects stopped at a U.S. land border crossing. In 2023, Canada yielded 86 per cent of the 564 total suspects stopped at a land border crossing."

FIRST READING: Canada yielding 87 per cent of all terror suspects stopped at U.S. border crossings

358 intercepted in the last year, as compared to just 52 from Mexico

nationalpost.com

 

[Yes_Minister]

You are still projecting. We can chat again when you get past that.

Yeah, walk away. If you could actually address what I said, you have done so.

It seems like the contempt MAGA supporters show towards Canada easily justifies our negative feelings towards that movement.

 

[gbg3]

So what these tariffs are in place to punish the public because Trump doesn't the current government? If so, it seems like you and Trump want to inflict hardships on the Canadian public because you simply don't like the current government. Sounds like you hate Canada.

No, he doesn't want to punish anyone. But he certainly does (very much) want real cooperation with border issues as far as those traveling through Canada and into the U.S. (see comment 347). Additionally, he does not want to subsidize Canada via an unfair trade imbalance.

As far as my feelings about Canada, I'm not their biggest fan.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Yeah, walk away. If you could actually address what I said, you have done so.

It seems like the contempt MAGA supporters show towards Canada easily justifies our negative feelings towards that movement.

We may chat later.