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Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 28.3%
  • No

    Votes: 24 45.3%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 13 24.5%

  • Total voters
    53

I agree Mexico should legalize, so our problem is no longer their problem. But we should keep heroin, meth and crack illegal here and secure our borders. Securing our borders is the key. If they can't get their drugs into the US the Mexican drug problem is over. All our drugs will then be Made in the USA.
Legalizing drugs is like giving amnesty to all the murdering thugs that caused all the problems.
 
At any rate, my particular opinion is that we should legalize and regulate drugs for our own benefit, not Mexico's.
 

It is a practical impossibility to secure the border. Period.

Legalizing drugs is like giving amnesty to all the murdering thugs that caused all the problems.

How so?
 

Well, I think dispensaries may be government run like ABC stores. I guess it depends on the state. I would love it if a coffeehouse culture developed.
 
You post an opinion to support your opinion? Brilliant!!!

Well it is in rebuttal to your opinion, and then adding a bit of common sense and encouragement to actually use a bit of logic to evaluate your nonsense position.

Here another tool to help you examine your opinion from the same thread, this time analogy, and I will quote myself:

 
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Legalizing drugs is like giving amnesty to all the murdering thugs that caused all the problems.

Just because someone would no longer be found guilty of drug trafficking doesn't mean they would no longer be found guilty of murder while drug trafficking.
 
Well, I think dispensaries may be government run like ABC stores. I guess it depends on the state. I would love it if a coffeehouse culture developed.

Yeah, but that would mean government control of a now legal industry, and we all know how conservatives feel about that.
 
Just because someone would no longer be found guilty of drug trafficking doesn't mean they would no longer be found guilty of murder while drug trafficking.

The Mexicans can't convict them now. Witnesses die and that would continue. They still have the muscle and the firepower.
Secure the borders.
 

I wasn't forming an opinion. I was stating a fact and the fact is that Mexico decriminalized drugs in an attempt to curb cartel violence.
 
Yeah, but that would mean government control of a now legal industry, and we all know how conservatives feel about that.

So, not only do you want to legalize drugs, you want the drug industry to be nationalized? OMG!
 
Its the scum here in the USA, the drug users ,who have created this problem, the Mexicans and others has only answered the call.
Solution: .....better people, in all areas, including a great many "law-makers".
 

The profit doesn't go to zero, but it does plummet. The prices are high partly because of the risk incurred by those who sell drugs. A competitor can break into the market, but they have to do so with an arsenal - guns to off rivals and subterfuge to hide from the authorities take money, and with inflexible demand they pass that on to the desperate addicts. A legalized, regulated market in America could allow the drugs to be made here, provide jobs here, and provide tax revenue here, instead of fund criminals there.


Medical marijuana isn't really legalized recreational marijuana. Even cocaine is a schedule II drug as it is used in hospitals for eye surgery. But what the hospitals pay for legal cocaine eyedrops has very little to do with the street price of cocaine.

I think the motivation was so that the police do not have to waste their time of petty drug users. I think only a few "lets legalize drug idiots" assumed it was to reduce violence.

Actually it does reduce violence because non-violent users are more likely to become violent offenders after incarceration, because the profits are less likely to be attractive enough for "bad" people to kill over, and because lower costs lead to less economic-compulsive crime (e.g. heroin addicts being burglars).


No, running a cartel won't be as profitable anymore, so you are less likely to be able to buy what you need to run a cartel, and the profits will be less likely to be of the kind to motivate desperate people to risk their lives.
 
So, not only do you want to legalize drugs, you want the drug industry to be nationalized? OMG!

Umm, no, I said the drug industry would probably be mostly privatized. I was responding to a post that said that the drug industry may be partially government-run in some states.
 
I wasn't forming an opinion. I was stating a fact and the fact is that Mexico decriminalized drugs in an attempt to curb cartel violence.

Except your "fact" is incorrect, this is not why they did it, hell even jamesrage corrected you on this. It is just plain silly to even think that is why they decriminalized it, yet you are claiming it as fact now.. this is NOT why they decriminalized drugs.

Why the hell would anyone think that Mexican decriminalization (mud puddle in the driveway) would effect violence that is a result of the US market (that huge ass lake in the backyard)? Your position and what you are stating to be factual is flat out wrong, and is completely nonsensical.
 
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Its the scum here in the USA, the drug users ,who have created this problem, the Mexicans and others has only answered the call.
Solution: .....better people, in all areas, including a great many "law-makers".

We have the technology and resources to secure our borders. One solution is to place our military bases on the border and let them actually defend the country and give the boys something to do while waiting to ship out.
 
We should legalize drugs, especially Marijuana, for Their and OUR benefit.

Drugs do not cause Violence, Illegal/Expensive Drugs, "The Trade", causes violence.
The Mexican President is Correct in that respect.

Not to mention exporting $10 Billion to foreign countries every year for an easily grown at home crop.
and saving Tens of Billions more on enforcement; Police, Courts, Jails, etc.
Nice to be able to lower state and Federal taxes.

I don't want to pay $35,000 a year (and more taxes for the whole DEA/state systems) to keep someone caught with Two ounces of pot in Jail.
Thanks.
 
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Meth on it's own does cause violence.
 
Meth on it's own does cause violence.
It Can, more so than most/the vast majority of drugs and could be handled differently.

But the Meth Strawman Doesn't refute the Gist/Bulk of my proposition.

And [awful] Meth is oft used because it is a homemade Cheap drug.. which would be replaced by better less 'violent' ones if all were legalized/also cheap.
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Meth on it's own does cause violence.

Using that broad brush, alcohol on its own can cause violence.. we don't go around jailing people for drinking just because there is a potential for violence, instead we wait until there is actual violence. Why should we act differently for meth and jail people because of potential crimes.

Hell If we are going to apply that reasoning, and go down that path, then maybe we should arrest people for being poor because not having money can cause people to steal.
 
But that doesn't answer the question: Do you believe the U.S. should legalize or decriminalize drugs to reduce drug violence in Mexico?

No, it is their problem, not ours......
I like how other nations blame all their ills on the U.S. & ask for help while they simultaneously thumb their noses at us..........:roll:
 
You exagerate. Many would go straight, many wouldn't. The reality is that the massive drug profits generated by prohibition creates an "attractive nuisance" that draws many people who aren't inherently larcenous or violent.

This is complete speculation on your part, erroneous speculation......
 
It won't change anything, the drug cartels in Mexico won't go away because we legalize drugs, they'll just move on to other lucrative crimes. Anyone who thinks the drug kingpins are going to go "Oh gee, drugs are legal now, I guess we'll have to get legitimate jobs!" is out of their minds.
 

Just saying meth changes behavior and can lead to violence on its own. It ruins lives and kills people. It should never, ever be made legal.
 

I don't think drug kingpins will say, "Oh gee, drugs are legal now, I guess we'll have to get legitimate jobs!"

Rather, I think they will say, "Oh gee, drugs are legal now, I guess we have legitimate jobs!"

They won't have to go get legitimate jobs because their current jobs are now legitimate.
 
Me: Many would go straight, many wouldn't. The reality is that the massive drug profits generated by prohibition creates an "attractive nuisance" that draws many people who aren't inherently larcenous or violent.
This is complete speculation on your part, erroneous speculation......

Not erroneous, reasonable. Denying that it's reasonable is, well, unreasonable. And thus errnoneous.
 
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