Should the Obama citizenship skeptics filing lawsuits reimburse Obama's attorney?

[Coolguy]

It is all racist bs. If somehow the suit was won and Obama was determined ineligi ble, there would be a special ruling from SCOTUS to cancel it out, and some riots in parts of the country.
Idiots who bring these kinds of suits have no idea the damage they can do.
They are sick, very sick, to even attempt it...

Ok, I guess you do not want me to try and answer your question. That is fine.

Racist BS?
I am sure from some of the comments that I have read, (not here) that some of the people who follow and support these suits are racist, but to call it 'all racist bs' flys in the face of reality.
If it was found that Obama was ineligible, they couldn't make a (legal) special ruling to keep him in the position.

The law is already on Obama's side, or he wouldn't have been nominated.
That should be clear by now....

I find that statement to be inconsistent with what is known of reality.
The only laws currently on Obama's side, are the laws that he uses to argue for dismissal.
The laws regarding 'standing'.

 

[jamesrage]

So far the score is 11-yes, 5-no and 3-maybe/I do not know.

 

[jamesrage]

Would you like me to try and answer your question anyway?
Secondly, you can not be duly elected if you are ineligible to hold the office in the first place, can you?

You do not think the democrats actually checked this out before allowing Obama to run in the primaries and to run for president?

These accusations against him are baseless.,there is no reason why Obama should release the copy the Hospital handed his mother when he was born. So that a bunch of pathetic sore looser conspiracy loons who do not even represent a significant part of the population will be satisfied?

Hmmm? Can you verify that she is dead?
Last I knew, she was attending the inauguration.
If she did indeed die, then they still have the video as well as the affidavit.

And what you say about (senior) is only alleged by the opposition.
Just more information that needs to be verified as to it's authenticity.

Surely if she is a alive and if even if she talking about Obama jr. don't you think FOX out of all stations would have jumped on this if there was any legitimacy to these claims?You don't think Clinton and all of other democrat primary candidates would have jumped all over this? If there was any legitimate claims don't you think McRino would have jumped all over this?

No, they claim that they have the original on hand. Not what it says.
It could very well show that his birth was registered under the conditions below.

If it was a fraudulent(birth certificates issued for children not born in their state) birth certificate as you and every other conspiracy loon claims, they really couldn't claim it was authentic could they?

First let me repeat what I already said: "Was it possible to receive a Hawaiian birth certificate at the time even though one was not born in Hawaii? Yes."
I do not know how you get fraudulent out of that, because those certificates issued as such would not be fraudulent.

If they are issuing birth certificates to children not born there in order to claim they were born there then it is fraudulent. I got a 404 on with your link

I view it as valid questions that should be answered.

Did Clinton or any other of the candidates have to release a birth certificate to the media?

There is absolutely no harm in releasing said information.

I am sure letting UFO loons inspect area 51 wouldn't cause any harm,it doesn't mean we should cave into the demands of loons.

It would put an end to the whole issue.

No it wouldn't these same loons are claiming that even if he was born in the US his step father adopted him in Indonesia and that forfeited Obama's natural born citizenship.This has been mentioned more than once in this thread.

Principle does not say fight to the sum of supposedly over a million dollars when release of requested info makes all the issues go away, unless it doesn't make all the issues go away.

If you can a judge to declare these lawsuits frivolous then you can get the other side to pay for it, so it isn't a loss on your side.

Especially when the cost to release of said info is a mere fraction of the amount spent so far defending their non-release.


Heck, all he has to do is authorize the appropriate agencies to release said information to all that comply with the rules of request. (i.e.: cost)

So if someone you did not know and was not important claimed your real last name **** for brains and went around spreading these rumors, would you show him these person who is not important and is a crazy loon your birth certificate and other personal documents?Would you ignore him since he is a loon and no one important and nothing real to base his claims on, would you sue the **** out of him for slander or would you cave to his demands and show him your personal documents?
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He says he is all for openness and transparency, he lied and therefore is a fraud, regardless of whether he eligible to hold the office of POTUS or not.

I do not think he was talking about caving into conspiracy theories.

And you both think your view is correct.

My view is correct.

You have accepted that the he has verified his citizenship based on, his word (the word of a liar),

Most politicians are liars,however despite the democrats being a bunch of homo/tranny apologist,abortion supporters and a bunch of other scum I do not think they would lie about something such as this which would basically end his career on the spot

an altered digital photo that has been uploaded to the internet and the statement by Hawaii that they have an original on hand.
That sounds loony to me.

How do you know it was altered, because some loon claims it was?

All I am saying is that there are legitimate questions that should be answered.

If someone legitimate brought real evidence he was born in Kenya, then fine toss his ass of out office,throw him in prison,make him reimburse everyone who gave him money for his campian, see who knew and prosecute them for aiding in election fraud and have another election.

To say they shouldn't be answered is ridiculous to say the least.

Loons with an ax to grind are not legitimate people to bring up a serious question.

A small portion probably do fit into each of the categories listed above.

I would have to say most fit that category.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

So far the score is 11-yes, 5-no and 3-maybe/I do not know.

Dang that score changed fast. Whats with the hard to read font color choice above?

 

[UtahBill]

JamesRage, Real LOONS are getting a bit upset that you are using their name to identify crazies...they want you to know that real loons are only a little bit eccentric at times, but not crazy....:2razz:

 

[jamesrage]

Dang that score changed fast.

I only count the names that show up on the poll results when I make the votes public. I make the votes public(if I remember to) because when the threads are in the main poll forum section any one can vote more than once.

Whats with the hard to read font color choice above?

I figure if one poster can change the font of his text then I can do the same thing.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

I figure if one poster can change the font of his text then I can do the same thing.

Expect some not to read it out of sheer frustration then.

 

[jamesrage]

Expect some not to read it out of sheer frustration then.

If you highlight or hit the quote function then you can read it clearly.

 

[Coolguy]

You do not think the democrats actually checked this out before allowing Obama to run in the primaries and to run for president?

You are supposing again.
Not something that belongs in debate.
Regardless.
History is replete with examples of how one group, even the majority, has assumed something that later turns out to be untrue.

These accusations against him are baseless.,there is no reason why Obama should release the copy the Hospital handed his mother when he was born.

They are not baseless in any sense of the word.

Surely if she is a alive and if even if she talking about Obama jr. don't you think FOX out of all stations would have jumped on this if there was any legitimacy to these claims?You don't think Clinton and all of other democrat primary candidates would have jumped all over this? If there was any legitimate claims don't you think McRino would have jumped all over this?

Surely?
More supposition. :doh
It carries no weight.

Btw, the Grandmother that is being discussed hasn't died.
Someone who is informed as to what is being discussed would know that.

I could also suppose as to why.
e.g.: Why hasn't his Grandmother said otherwise? Because she doesn't want to lie.
See how easy it is?

If it was a fraudulent(birth certificates issued for children not born in their state) ..., they really couldn't claim it was authentic could they?

And again, it wasn't fraudulent. Hawaii could and did issue such as they chose.
Nowhere does it make it fraudulent or does it make the holder of such a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S., but a citizen of the State of Hawaii.

If they are issuing birth certificates to children not born there in order to claim they were born there then it is fraudulent.

No, it wasn't fraudulent.

I got a 404 on with your link

Link got edited somehow.
Here it is again.
Says the same as I quoted.
Link

Did Clinton or any other of the candidates have to release a birth certificate to the media?

You are supposing again to support your own view point.
Regardless.
I haven't seen any law that says they do.
But in no way does it mean the questions shouldn't be answered.

McCain voluntarily provided his when he was challenged.
Why wont Obama?

I am sure letting UFO loons inspect area 51 wouldn't cause any harm,it doesn't mean we should cave into the demands of loons.

Two opposite arguments being made. :doh
The release of information concerning projects at area 51 would be damaging to national security.
The release of a Birth Certificate, passport information and school records of Obama wouldn't be. It would be harmless.

In all actuality, if what is alleged to be true about Obama, then it would be more of a threat to National Security not to release them.

No it wouldn't these same loons are claiming that even if he was born in the US his step father adopted him in Indonesia and that forfeited Obama's natural born citizenship.This has been mentioned more than once in this thread.

This is a multifaceted issue.
The release of requested information would put an end to most questions one way or another.

The issue of what our Forefathers meant by 'Natural Born Citizen' in regards to holding the Presidency, is one that would be a case of first impression for our Court.

It is pretty clear to me our Forefathers had intended that the holder of the office of President should not have, or have had, dual citizenship, such as Obama himself admits to having had, because the person becomes CIC.
No more information is needed from Obama, that he hasn' publicly admitted, for this issue to be heard.

If you can a judge to declare these lawsuits frivolous then you can get the other side to pay for it, so it isn't a loss on your side.

No, not at the cost he has already incurred, that will not be paid by those who filed.
And your response totally disregards the fact that it is a lot cheaper to just release said information.
When the first case was dismissed without having the plaintiff pay, they should have just released said info.

So if someone you did not know and was not important claimed your real last name **** for brains and went around spreading these rumors, would you show him these person who is not important and is a crazy loon your birth certificate and other personal documents?Would you ignore him since he is a loon and no one important and nothing real to base his claims on, would you sue the **** out of him for slander or would you cave to his demands and show him your personal documents?

I have already stated what I would do. It is the cheapest alternative.
The only way I wouldn't, is if I was trying to hide something.

I do not think he was talking about caving into conspiracy theories.

Conspiracy has nothing to do with wanting the questions answered/information released, but only comes into play when people allege/speculate/assume/suppose 'the reason' for which he is hiding said information. Conspiracy also comes into play when it is alleged that he and others conspired to suppress said info.
But not with wanting the questions answered/information provided.

My view is correct.

That is funny since you are doing the same thing that some on the other side is doing... supposing.

Most politicians are liars, ... I do not think they would lie about something such as this which would basically end his career on the spot

Nothing but supposition... again.

How do you know it was altered, ...?

The blacking out of the numbers are clearly an alteration, Duh!
Download any hex editor and open up the photograph with it.
You will clearly see it was run through Adobe CS3.

Not to mention that no U.S. Court would accept a photo of said certificate as evidence to prove anything of substance, other than to prove it is a photograph of an alleged Certificate.

Loons with an ax to grind are not legitimate people to bring up a serious question.

Ha, ha, ha.
As with many, I have no ax to grind with Obama.
I just want the questions answered.

I would have to say most fit that category.

You can say that all you like.
Yet since most of the comments I have read from supporters of having him provide said information are devoid of such vitriol, I would say you are wrong.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Expect some not to read it out of sheer frustration then.

Nah.

If he wants to make it impossible to read, it must not be worth reading.