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Should the GOP default on the debt if no compromise is reached?

Should the GOP default on the debt if no compromise is reached?

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Cardinal said:
You probably thought that Hans Gruber was the protagonist in Die Hard.
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I understand you can't address the points made, we both know it, which is why you're trying to deflect away to me. It didn't work.
 
Fishking said:
I understand you can't address the points made, we both know it, which is why you're trying to deflect away to me. It didn't work.
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So how did you vote?
 
Fishking said:
Your question is phrased dishonestly.

It's not the GOP that would make it default. It's our inability to actually run our country in anything close to a viable manner for decades. Asking for a very minor step in the direction of fixing it is wholly reasonable. Make no mistake, whether it happens now or some years down the road, the US will default. It will just be much worse the later it happens.
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It actually is the GOP that is threatening sovereign default if they do not get what they want, Fishking. Sovereign default for borrowed money they signed off on time and time again, I might add. This isn’t cutting spending. This is refusing to pay back our national debt if they do not get their way which is the absolute height of fiscal irresponsibility.
 
j brown's body said:
In their hopeless condition of whataboutism and of setting up every story as a battle between one side and the other, I have not seen the MSM ask this question of the legislators. Yet its their responsibility.

So what do you think they should do if the two sides reach an impasse?
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Its a classic example of failure of government on both sides and the failure of the American people to stand up to both parties. We shouldn't be pointing to the left or the right. We have a spending and deficit problem that needs to be addressed if they won't get their acts together we need to fire the lot of them.
 
DrewPaul said:
Its a classic example of failure of government on both sides and the failure of the American people to stand up to both parties. We shouldn't be pointing to the left or the right. We have a spending and deficit problem that needs to be addressed if they won't get their acts together we need to fire the lot of them.
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. . . and then what? Anarchy?
 
DrewPaul said:
Its a classic example of failure of government on both sides and the failure of the American people to stand up to both parties. We shouldn't be pointing to the left or the right. We have a spending and deficit problem that needs to be addressed if they won't get their acts together we need to fire the lot of them.
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How did you vote? One party alone controls the vote to raise the debt ceiling..
 
Somerville said:
. . . and then what? Anarchy?
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Not anarchy, holding our government leaders feet to the fire regardless of party. Somehow we need to get the message out we want both sides to iron out an agreement and not wait the last damn minute to do so. As long as every issue is a right or left issue the people are divided with each half blaming the other side when in fact both sides are responsible. I think this is by design.

We need a "We the people party' not to run for office but to hold government's feet to the fire irrespective of party.
 
Taylor said:
A bill has already been passed. Biden is threatening to default if they don't rewrite it the way he would like it. I'm sure some sort of compromise will be reached.
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Republicans can blame the Dems for all sorts of things all they want, but at the end of the day, the House alone raises or doesn't raise the debt ceiling.

If it gets to that point, what should they do?
 
DrewPaul said:
Not anarchy, holding our government leaders feet to the fire regardless of party. Somehow we need to get the message out we want both sides to iron out an agreement and not wait the last damn minute to do so. As long as every issue is a right or left issue the people are divided with each half blaming the other side when in fact both sides are responsible. I think this is by design.

We need a "We the people party' not to run for office but to hold government's feet to the fire irrespective of party.
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Which group do you believe would be able to organize well enough to hold "government leaders feet to the fire"? There was that little kerfuffle back a couple years ago that hasn't ended too well for participants. Then there are a few events in the past couple centuries that didn't provide solutions for the instigators.

Sadly, there is more than one group coalescing around various controversial dreams, so that the nation is becoming too divided to reach any easy, quick solution to the present-day problems.
 
j brown's body said:
Republicans can blame the Dems for all sorts of things all they want, but at the end of the day, the House alone raises or doesn't raise the debt ceiling.

If it gets to that point, what should they do?
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They've already raised it. Talk to Schumer.


rollcall.com

House passes $1.5 trillion debt limit increase, spending cuts - Roll Call

House Republicans passed legislation Wednesday pairing nearly $4.8 trillion in deficit reduction with a debt limit increase into next year.
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I think there will be a compromise. But a compromise is not just spending cuts, it is tax increases too.

Or of course, maybe Republicans aren't serious about deficits, and just want to wreck Democrat programs. In that case, there will be no compromise.
 
DrewPaul said:
Not anarchy, holding our government leaders feet to the fire regardless of party. Somehow we need to get the message out we want both sides to iron out an agreement and not wait the last damn minute to do so. As long as every issue is a right or left issue the people are divided with each half blaming the other side when in fact both sides are responsible. I think this is by design.

We need a "We the people party' not to run for office but to hold government's feet to the fire irrespective of party.
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It's the responsibility of the House, and the House alone, to raise or not raise the debt ceiling. It isn't even a left or right issue, despite the Congress trying to make it one.

So how should they vote if they are unsuccessful in the compromise?
 
Ug make hammer said:
I think there will be a compromise. But a compromise is not just spending cuts, it is tax increases too.

Or of course, maybe Republicans aren't serious about deficits, and just want to wreck Democrat programs. In that case, there will be no compromise.
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Think they'll default if they don't get the compromise?
 
Root problem is government spending is out of control. Anybody who knows how to use a calculator can see that. Finger pointing and assigning blame is secondary to solving the real problem which is reaching an agreement on spending that has some semblance of fiscal sanity.
 
Taylor said:
They can't control Schumer. If he defaults, he defaults. I don't think he's that stupid, though.
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Should Congress decline to raise the debt ceiling if Schumer defaults?
 
The GOP-controlled House has passed a "debt-ceiling" bill not an actual budget bill - there are no specific cuts or funding increases, only a limit on federal spending.
 
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Sorry, but Biden's "no negotiation" ultimatum died the moment the house passed a bill to raise the debt ceiling. Democrats are slowly figuring this out.

The only question now is what the final compromise will look like.

Biden already lost this fight. The ultimatum was a really stupid move. No matter what happens now, he's going to look weak.
 
Taylor said:
A bill has already been passed. Biden is threatening to default if they don't rewrite it the way he would like it. I'm sure some sort of compromise will be reached.
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The "bill" is dog shit!


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Opinion > Letters​

Letter: Congressional issues: H.R. 2811​


Published: 5/2/2023 7:01:31 AM
Modified: 5/2/2023 7:01:05 AM
I agree to H.R. 2811 being DOA upon arrival to the Senate. Four House Republicans voted against it. Other Republicans gained “exemptions” (a precedent that leads to more exemptions to dwindle the “savings” to nothing) and I heard one Republican say that she cannot vote for this bill in its final passage, but will vote for it to bring the president to the table (I guess so he can fix the problem for her). This bill does not address one of the biggest offenders of rising spending.
The House Speaker “exempted” his own body. Try reading the House SOD (Statement of Disbursements). The only information I could find on House spending said their budget increased six times faster than government spending in general, (“Our Costly Congress” by Worth Bingham, 1962). H.R. 2811 is a joke. If you want to fix the budget then work on the Budget Negotiations, as in all other years. H.R. 2811 makes every previous administration’s budget superfluous. It seems to me that the Speaker has holed himself up in the Federal Reserve Bank and threatens to begin shooting hostages (us) unless the president begins negotiations to help him out of his predicament. Seems like the Speaker has a personal political problem posing as a presidential predicament.
 
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