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Should the 2A be repealed?

Repeal the 2A?

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Josie said:
How do you prevent the bad guys from having guns by removing the good guys' rights to own them?
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Both good and bad people would lose the same right. It is called equal rights.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
Both good and bad people would lose the same right. It is called equal rights.
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some more abject stupidity there. So we all should lose the ability to drive because some drive drunk? Bad people-those with records, have lost the right to own guns. You want to punish honest people. What a disgusting thought
 
post said:
Sure!

Before RWE in the U.S. became unhinged.... here they all were, united by their fear of blacks exercising right to open carry.:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act
"Both Republicans and Democrats in California supported increased gun control, as did the National Rifle Association of America.[9] Governor Ronald Reagan, who was coincidentally present on the capitol lawn when the protesters arrived, later commented that he saw "no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons" and that guns were a "ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will." In a later press conference, Reagan added that the Mulford Act "would work no hardship on the honest citizen."[1] ..."

The bill was signed by Reagan and became California penal code 25850 and 171c.

Firearms and violence in Europe–A systematic review - NCBI​

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › articles › PMC8046231
by K Krüsselmann · 2021 · Cited by 1 — "It is estimated that around 7000 people (0.9 per 100.000 population) die of gunshot wounds each year in continental Europe, including suicides,"

Privately owned guns "protect" who ?

Stats of the States - Firearm Mortality

www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

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For law abiding citizens, guns save and protect life, deter crime.....not so for the criminals....


www.gunowners.org

Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives | GOA

Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives A. Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict * Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year — or about 6,850 times a...
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fee.org

Guns Prevent Thousands of Crimes Every Day, Research Shows

The Center for Disease Control, in a report ordered by President Obama in 2012 following the Sandy Hook Massacre, estimated that the number of crimes prevented by guns could be as high as 3 million annually, or some 8,200 every day. And there is plenty more evidence showing that guns keep...
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"If we can just confiscate the estimated 350 million guns in the country, you might ask, then won’t we eliminate the offensive use of firearms, so we won’t need any of those many defensive uses? Good luck with that. Is there any reason to believe that such a war on guns would be any more successful than the government’s war on drugs? Even a fifth-grader could tell you that it would be largely the innocent who would be disarmed. Criminals would have no problem keeping their guns or getting replacements on a thriving black market."
 
Josie said:
Proven bad guys already have lost the right. Yet, they still have guns. How?
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People talk about the fact murderers legally owned the guns they used to kill their victims. In that case, proven bad guys are allowed to legally guns.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
If proven bad guys have already lost the right to own guns, why are many illegal shootings first-time offenses on their criminal records?
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They wouldn't be proven bad guys until their first offense....................................................................

How do proven bad guys get guns when they're prohibited from them?
 
Patriotic Voter said:
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By stealing guns from good people, of course. Or they buy them from other bad people.
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I thought you said that if it was illegal they wouldn't have guns.
 
danielpalos said:
Just gun lovers making up their own scenarios? This is what our Second Amendment secures: The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.
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The Second Amendment:

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


Clearly speaking of two things herein....one is a regulated Militia necessary to the security of a free State....secondly, that the citizenry, the people have the right to keep and bear arms and shall not be infringed. The founders knew the importance in law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms, especially seeing the type of government they escaped to found this great country. They realized the right of its citizens to bear arms will and can keep this government from overreaching it's legal and moral reach.

We can see today on our televisions the results in liberal policies and the liberal wishlist to remove guns from law abiding citizens would be disastrous in gargantuan terms......the dream of gun free societies are just that, a damn dream for you will never be able to keep guns out of the hands of criminals you yaholes.
 
Josie said:
I thought you said that if it was illegal they wouldn't have guns.
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If guns could not be manufactured or sold in America except for the military and law enforcement officers, only security guards, police, and the Armed Forces would have guns.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
If guns could not be manufactured or sold in America except for the military and law enforcement officers, only security guards, police, and the Armed Forces would have guns.
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Like during Prohibition when alcohol couldn't be manufactured and sold.......................?
 
Josie said:
Like during Prohibition when alcohol couldn't be manufactured and sold?
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As long as someone can get a recipe for an alcoholic beverage, the government can't stop that from happening. It is not that simple with firearms, which have to be manufactured by businesses with government contracts.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
If guns could not be manufactured or sold in America except for the military and law enforcement officers, only security guards, police, and the Armed Forces would have guns.
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You really believe that statement?.....wow.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
If guns could not be manufactured or sold in America except for the military and law enforcement officers, only security guards, police, and the Armed Forces would have guns.
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Really? in 1991, the US military couldn't account for over 15,000 M16 rifles. Police departments Lose hundreds each year. We have thousands of miles of un-guarded borders and the Soviet Bloc is dumping hundreds of thousands of recently declared obsolete military weapons on the world market.
 
redbeer said:
You really believe that statement?.....wow.
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I think she does. It is a complete disconnect with reality though. She also ignores there are over 400 million guns in the USA and thousands of home machine shops. My long dead (50+years) maternal grandfather was the senior designer for the then top machine tool maker in the USA. His own home machine shop was capable of making most of the US small arms. The only thing he did not have was a machine for making the wood stocks. But sten guns and M3 Grease guns-easy. Now, with 3D Printers and second hand CNC machinery getting cheaper and better, lots of people are going to have BETTER tools than what COLT made the Thompson Sub Machine gun with or what GM Guide Lamp made the M3 Grease Gun with.
 
Lursa said:
Please source the bold.

Here are some examples of unenumerated rights: the right to have consensual sex, the right to have offspring, the right to marry, the right to move to another state.

While no rights are absolute, no state laws can ban those things for individuals without due process.
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Amendment X​

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Specifically...it IS the domain of the states to govern and regulate.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
As long as someone can get a recipe for an alcoholic beverage, the government can't stop that from happening. It is not that simple with firearms, which have to be manufactured by businesses with government contracts.
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Gun manufacturers would just go underground to create their weapons --- just like they did during Prohibition with alcohol. Your idea that all guns would magically disappear is, as I said before, extremely naïve.
 
Josie said:
Gun manufacturers would just go underground to create their weapons --- just like they did during Prohibition with alcohol. Your idea that all guns would magically disappear is, as I said before, extremely naïve.
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The machine tools and 3D printers easily available now, allow most people to have a machine shop far superior to what was used to create the British sten and Sterling SMGs or the USA M3 Grease Gun
 
Patriotic Voter said:
Totally different topic.
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Why-you want to ban all privately owned guns. Meth is banned. Yet Meth is easily available. some would note that the war against drugs has cost more lives and extended far more money that what would happen if we didn't ban it
 
Josie said:
Gun manufacturers would just go underground to create their weapons -- just like they did during Prohibition with alcohol. Your idea that all guns would magically disappear is, as I said before, extremely naïve.
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Literally underground, or by pretending their factories exist to produce something else?
 
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