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if I have property that is commercially available for use as a gathering hall, a church could probably file suit against me if i refuse them public access on a religious basis.
but it does effect that persons right to exercise his/her civil rights in public access facility.Because one is a person and the other is an object. Not serving a gay person affects the person not being able to purchase an item. Not allowing a gun in the store does not restrict the person from purchasing an item.
Only someone on the extreme far-wrong would equate engaging in perverted sexual activities in public with openly exercising one of one's most essential Constitutional rights.
Are there any Quakers left in the world?What if you're a Quaker....
I don't mind the insults - I 'fear' guns in the hands of others - but what's mystifying is I explained my position several times. Wouldn't it be easier to respond to those reasons instead of making up stuff?
... but I can't see lugging a rifle around in Target while shopping (unless I believed I was under serious and imminent threat, and if I was under serious/imminent threat WTF am I shopping for??)
but it does effect that persons right to exercise his/her civil rights in public access facility.
And if you owned a store, I would need your permission to hold a church service in the store, or even in the parking lot (providing you owned that). Nor can I excersize my right to free speech with out your permission (distribute leaflets or hold a rally).
Now if "Target" were a shooting range, then perhaps your analogy might fit.
In short, I still retain my rights to free speech, religion, bear arms- I just need to have your permission to do use those rights on your private property.
Target is private property. They have a right to set the policies of what they will allow in the store as far as objects go. And yes, a gun is an object. If you do not wish to transfer the responsibility to the store for your safety, you don't have to shop there.
But it's not like you can ask a gay person "Leave your gay at the door" or "Leave your blackness at the door". The person, however, can enter a store without their gun and purchase items without their weapon. Which is the point people are not understanding.
I don't care one way or another. I don't pick the places to shop by whether I can bring my firearm into the place and yes I own firearms.
true, i don't have to shop there... or... oorrrr. i will do as i've always done...carry concealed.
I don't choose my stores by their gun policies either...well, i probably wouldn't shop at a store that is ardently anti-gun... but i don't go looking for them.
if i ever get the boot for carrying, so be it... but it has never happened in over 40 years,and i don't suspect it'll happen anytime soon.
We have a Constitutional right to bear arms in Target stores?
And if caught, say in Costco, you risk the chance of a trespassing charge. Either way, it's like speeding. People do it, just don't be suprised when you get cause.
And that's the risk you're taking. Which to me is like taking the risk for speeding. People obviously do it, you're not the only one, I just have no sympathy when they get cuaght.
I do think, however, those that are purposely carrying rifles into stores are doing nothing but hurting their own cause and losing support for the very thing they are demonstrating. It's the ole saying "Just because you CAN do something, doesn't me you SHOULD do that". Those carrying rifles into stores are demonstrating that quite well IMO.
I'm supportive of the idea to open carry firearms, but I am not about to be stupid and do a "Look at me" action either.
i'd be very surprised if i was caught.. but if it did happen,i wouldn't sweat it much.. i certainly wouldn't go shopping for sympathy.
i'm not a fan of "look at me" stunts either.. no matter the issue.
i've always said that i'm no fan of protests and marches.. it's all buffoonery to me.
that said, i respect the rights of others to engage in whatever buffoonery that is legally available to them.. and to reap whatever consequences they bring.... in this particular case, they have brought a host of negative reactions and a potential policy change at Target ( which would honestly make me laugh, as buffoonery that backfires often does.)
And I agree. A private business can restrict guns if they wish.
The barefoot question was more rhetorical to those who think that you should be able to take guns anywhere without restriction, but other rights get thrown under the bus.
I'd love to see nothing more than to see cops get severely hurt - because they would love nothing more than to kill them some "bad guys."
Just because you can legally do something diesnt mean you should.
A bunch of guys walking into Target with rifles may be legal and Target may allow it, but scaring the crap out if a bunch of soccer moms is stupid beyond words. Those idiots simply confirmed every negative stereotype that the general public may have about gun owners. Morons.
He fears guns in the hands of others.
i personally don't care if a businesses allows guns or not. if i had a business i would not allow open carry in my store. if you have a conceal license and a gun and i can't tell then there is little i can do about.
however a guy walking into my store with and open carry no. why? it is bad for business and makes other people uncomfortable and i don't know that person from jack and jill.
True, there is a trivial chance of a mad gunman going off inside a department store, so you should prepare. And you should be always prepared a fire (a bottle of oxygen to survive the smoke would be helpful), and maybe wear a helmet in case a tile falls from above, and perhaps a first aid kit with one of the new heart deals that will restart yours should you have a heart attack. I'm sure you're wearing bullet proof vest, to survive the shootout or an attack by knife, etc. Can't be too prepared!
And I explained my core problem - I do not know who these people are, so why would I trust them? I recognize two things - the gun toter doesn't make the shopping experience more than trivially safer or more dangerous. But he or she introduces a problem I have to deal with. I can't know if the person is sane, has been trained, follows the training, and will handle the weapon safely, so I'll feel a need to keep an eye on him or her. Not obsessively, but if there are 100 people in the target I'll be watching the rifle a bit more than the woman with a kid getting milk. It's something I don't want or need while shopping. I won't leave the store or promise never to come back till they ban weapons, but it's just added stress, however small, I prefer to avoid. And there is no reason for it. No one needs a firearm to shop safely.
Are there any Quakers left in the world?
in practical terms, I won't seek your permission to exercise my 2A rights... and you'll never know i'm doing so...I've plowed this field for the last 40+ years.
( it was actually a bank robbery that got me into carrying concealed long ago.. i was unlucky enough to be in line at a bank when 2 robbers with guns walked in and robbed the place...i figured if no-gun policies weren't going to stop the bad guys, the good guys shouldn't be hamstrung by those same policies.)
you're policy may be observed, and it's your right to set that policy, though.
Irrational fears should be dealt with by education, not by playing right into those fears.
and the store has the right to deny you access....it really is that simple and I am sorry you wasted your 40 years not learning that.
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