CoffeeSaint
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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14483409/site/newsweek/The study, published online Wednesday in the journal Nature, purports to have used single cells of 2- to 3-day-old human embryos (consisting of 8 to 10 cells) to produce stem-cell lines, a process that would leave the embryos themselves intact and able to survive in most cases, the research team says. The findings represent the latest advance in one of several ongoing projects seeking ways of generating stem cells without destroying embryos—an aim of some scientists due to U.S. law prohibiting federal funding of research that results in embryo destruction.
CoffeeSaint said:Researchers say that they have found a way to produce stem-cell lines without destroying human embryos.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14483409/site/newsweek/
Note that this says the embryo can survive in most cases. But the question remains: should stem cell research be pursued?
As a secondary question, should stem cell research get federal funding?
jfuh said:Fertility clinics toss away hundreds of thousands of embryos daily for implantation treatments. Let me repeat that TOSS AWAY. Why are there ppl against the use of embryos for the persuit of science stating it's a destruction of human life and yet seemingly have no problem with fertility clinics flushing the same embryos down the toilet? Just stupid.
I'm for any and all forms of stem cell research.
And thus the rhetoric. Hey you're anti-choice and suppressionist.:roll:Navy Pride said:Well your pro abortion too so why are we not surprised?
jfuh said:And thus the rhetoric. Hey you're anti-choice and suppressionist.:roll:
Seriously NP, get out of your partisan well.
Nice try to hijack the thread again with your partisan rhetoric NP. Now if you want to respond to me, how about answering the question I asked.Navy Pride said:Now if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black.....:roll:
jfuh said:Fertility clinics toss away hundreds of thousands of embryos daily for implantation treatments. Let me repeat that TOSS AWAY. Why are there ppl against the use of embryos for the persuit of science stating it's a destruction of human life and yet seemingly have no problem with fertility clinics flushing the same embryos down the toilet?
jfuh said:Fertility clinics toss away hundreds of thousands of embryos daily for implantation treatments. Let me repeat that TOSS AWAY. Why are there ppl against the use of embryos for the persuit of science stating it's a destruction of human life and yet seemingly have no problem with fertility clinics flushing the same embryos down the toilet? Just stupid.
I'm for any and all forms of stem cell research.
jfuh said:Nice try to hijack the thread again with your partisan rhetoric NP. Now if you want to respond to me, how about answering the question I asked.
Here it is again.
You were? Is that what post 6 was in calling me a pro-abortionist? Just responding? When post 5 was never even directed at you? Again thank you for trying to hijack the thread. Now how about responding to the posted question?Navy Pride said:Whatever.......I was just responding to your attack on me....:roll:
jfuh said:You were? Is that what post 6 was in calling me a pro-abortionist? Just responding? When post 5 was never even directed at you? Again thank you for trying to hijack the thread. Now how about responding to the posted question?
talloulou said:Actually this article sounds rather interesting and if it's done in the course of a test that would be done anyway then it actually sounds promising and I think I'd be okay with it.
As far as why someone would be against experimenting on embryos that will be trashed anyway.....for me its similar to asking if the county has to destroy 100 stray cats why not just give them to labs for experimentation? They're gonna die anyway. There's an element of callousness and cruelty that goes along with monkeying with human embryos.
jfuh said:You were? Is that what post 6 was in calling me a pro-abortionist? Just responding? When post 5 was never even directed at you? Again thank you for trying to hijack the thread. Now how about responding to the posted question?
talloulou said:Actually this article sounds rather interesting and if it's done in the course of a test that would be done anyway then it actually sounds promising and I think I'd be okay with it.
As far as why someone would be against experimenting on embryos that will be trashed anyway.....for me its similar to asking if the county has to destroy 100 stray cats why not just give them to labs for experimentation? They're gonna die anyway. There's an element of callousness and cruelty that goes along with monkeying with human embryos.
SixStringHero said:I know what you are getting at here, but the reality is these embryos will be trashed regardless of how much it bothers people.
Why not let some good come from it?
Yeah I think the chain your referring to is actually cloning which I'm hesitant to support. And I do understand that they can't feel pain but it still just seems wrong to me.CoffeeSaint said:First, these are embryos that are only a few days old, a total of 8-10 cells, so there is no way they could feel any pain. In addition, a single embryonic stem cell can be used to start a chain that can supply stem cells to a large number of researchers, so very few embryos need to be used at all, whether they die or not.
Considering the possible uses of those stem cells, I'm not sure I see the callousness or cruelty in using unfeeling cells, in small amounts, to allow research that could potentially cure, well, almost anything.
No, stem cells just divide and reproduce; without the guidance of the developing embryo, sometimes the stem cells just reproduce more stem cells, over and over and over again; that's the chain.talloulou said:Yeah I think the chain your referring to is actually cloning which I'm hesitant to support. And I do understand that they can't feel pain but it still just seems wrong to me.
I disagree; I think the reason we're seeing results from adult stem cell research is because the money has been there, and the public support has been there. If we had spent the last five years focusing on embryonic stem cells, we'd see even more potential cures; the whole point here is that stem cells can become any other kind of cell, and as I understand it, embryonic stem cells are much more flexible than adult stem cells in that way. My hope is that more research in embryonic stem cells will show they are useful for things that adult stem cells can't do.talloulou said:If I strongly believed the hype and felt embryonic stem cells were going to be the answer for curing almost anything then I might have a change of heart. However the current research just doesn't support that idea. Alot of it is hype with nothing much to back it up.
I sincerely believe if the government were to start throwing $$$ at embryonic stem cells as opposed to adult stem cells we'd see less cures in less time. I think researchers are more excited by the possibilities of embryonic stem cells in theory but the results aren't worth taking money from adult stem cells which actually are producing usable techniques.
Yes, I know, but I'm more interested in people's opinions of the research itself. Asking about federal funding just degenerates into an argument over the size of government and the proper role of taxation, and the original argument gets lost in the shuffle. I did ask about federal funding as a secondary question, but most people have passed that up.RightatNYU said:You're missing the whole point with this poll. The big debate isn't whether embryos can be destroyed during stem-cell research (They have been and will be no matter what Bush or anyone says), but whether or not federal funding should be provided for it.
CoffeeSaint said:Yes, I know, but I'm more interested in people's opinions of the research itself. Asking about federal funding just degenerates into an argument over the size of government and the proper role of taxation, and the original argument gets lost in the shuffle. I did ask about federal funding as a secondary question, but most people have passed that up.
Ah, well; it's my first poll. Maybe the next will be better.
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