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Absolutely not. The commercialization and commoditization of sex is inherently degrading and dehumanizing and our society is already rife with the problems that come from viewing our families and communities as disposable conveniences.
Regulation has never worked, there is typically an owner/pimp, and the prostitute rarely has a choice regardless.
Regulation has never worked, there is typically an owner/pimp, and the prostitute rarely has a choice regardless.
Legalization of prostitution instantly creates a level of demand that wasn't there before. There is never anywhere near enough workers to satisfy the new level of demand. This is when organised crime takes over and begins importing kidnapped women and children from other countries, held persona non grata (no legal standing in the host country, as the pimp retains their passport and does not report them to any agency) indefinintly.Here is a basic undeniable and time proven reality. Sex sells. Sex is a valued commodity. Some people may have limited skill sets and qualifications but may be uniquely gifted and talented to be able to provide that service. People sell their services all the time. Legalized prostitution would involve person X willingly offering a service (that lets be honest...some people LOVE to offer and are very good at it) to person Y who values it and is willing to pay for it. People pay for massages, they pay for counseling, they pay for tattoos. We have smoke shops, state run liquor stores, and in some parts of the country marijuana stores. It is ridiculous that Miss Sally cant request a business license, open an establishment, pass the required building and health inspections, and bill customers for a desired service. Everyone...EVERYONE wins. The public health is more secure because while you may still have the occasional 5 dolla independent snaggle toothed crack ho, you will certainly have less of them. And hey...Diannas Discount Dildo Dojo could offer unique business start-up positions, business management experience, you could have minimum wage and higher type positions, there is just a whole lot of 'win' in legalizing the trade.
I know several rather high end hookers in Vegas who would disagree with you. some were paying their way through college and most if not all LOVED their job. And you know its true...when you love your job you are better at it. Part of the problem with prostitution today is that it is seen as ugly, nasty, and the women are seen as less than. Because it is illegal they have little recourse...if they are mistreated they cant just go run to the police. If you legalize the trade you can regulate health concerns, tax the income, hell, they could unionize. Would their likely be a business owner? of COURSE...but how would that be any different than any other business?Regulation has never worked, there is typically an owner/pimp, and the prostitute rarely has a choice regardless.
I see where you can make that comparison in other countries but I dont think it applies or would apply HERE, at least not to any greater extent than it may already be happening today. Undeniably...it IS happening today. So...make the businesses legit, require regular health inspections, you would have workers rights groups, there really is no downside to legalizing it. We are stuck on traditions and morality plays that really dont make a lot of sense.Legalization or prostitution instantly creates a level of demand that wasn't there before. There is never anywhere near enough workers to satisfy the new level of demand. This is when organised crimes takes over and begins importing kidnapped women and children from other countries, held persona non grata [size=1(no legal standing in the host country, as the pimp retains their passport and does not report them to any agency)[/size] indefinintly.
But it is working in Nevada and Amsterdam, I guess that doesn't really count, huh?
Your last comment is just a bit silly, sorry...
But it is working in Nevada and Amsterdam, I guess that doesn't really count, huh?
Your last comment is just a bit silly, sorry...
I see where you can make that comparison in other countries but I dont think it applies or would apply HERE, at least not to any greater extent than it may already be happening today. Undeniably...it IS happening today. So...make the businesses legit, require regular health inspections, you would have workers rights groups, there really is no downside to legalizing it. We are stuck on traditions and morality plays that really dont make a lot of sense.
If you honestly think your best argument for Nevada and Amsterdam can hold a candle to Sweden and Norway, be my guest and present your case. I'll be checking your sources so make sure your links work.
Better yet, take it to The Loft.
and what about Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Greece, Turkey, Hungary and Latvia..all legal and regulated...
in Sweden and Norway only the person paying is committing a crime...why is that?...share what is so wrong there?
This is the best argument you have?and what about Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Greece, Turkey, Hungary and Latvia..all legal and regulated...
in Sweden and Norway only the person paying is committing a crime...why is that?...share what is so wrong there?
What about them, can you give some insight on where your going with this?
This is the best argument you have?
So, how well did you say it was working?
Here is another example of something working;
I was stopped at a red light the other day and some young guy pulled up next to me in an old corvette(75'-77') the body was in rough shape, black smoke coming from the tail pipe and you could hear the rods knocking like an old diesel. Looking over the young guy had a look on his face of pleasure that he was driving a corvette, even though mechanically it had major problems.
Legalization of prostitution instantly creates a level of demand that wasn't there before. There is never anywhere near enough workers to satisfy the new level of demand. This is when organized crime takes over and begins importing kidnapped women and children from other countries, held persona non grata (no legal standing in the host country, as the pimp retains their passport and does not report them to any agency) indefinintly.
Its not at all the same issue, so of COURSE I dont make the 'same' argument for cocaine. I do advocate for legalized marijuana and would even advocate for legalizing cocaine provided that the government would mandate ZERO in assistance dollars including medical care for cocaine users. But again...nowhere NEAR the same issue.Do you make the same argument for cocaine?
Since the topic of legalizing marijuana came up, we should discuss another "illegal" activity...
Should prostitution be legal?
Sketching road to go down and for other reasons not mentioned. If it would only come down to the statement of "staying out of people's bedroom of consenting adults."
Let's look at this differently, if you are in a profession that involves your bedroom as an office then you just opened the door to your office for Uncle Sam to look in on his taxable income, not your bedroom door anymore.
Also when addressing other issues such as unemployment, all unemployment then should be denied because it would be tough to prove that no one is willing to haves sex with you for money. The thing is that you can not collect unemployment if you turn down gainable employment. In other words you would have the government now in some control of what you do with your body. Slippery slope folks that's all.
who was he hurting?
I think we need more of a love for "Uncle Sam"....rather than a fear.
What sayth thou, government ???
Me, as I had to smell is terrible exhaust, isn't that the same thing non-smokers vs. smokers argument?
Yes it should be legal. But that said there should be a few things in place-
1.Laws in place to ensure that the prostitute keeps most of her money should she work for a business such as a brothel that employs multiple prostitutes or a "independent sales man" such as a pimp.
2.There should also be laws requiring forcing clients and prostitutes to use prophylactics and the prostitute to be on birth control if the prostitute is a female.
3.Waivers to alleviate the client and prostitute should anyone contract any STD or get pregnant.
4.Mandatory bi-weekly STD testing and results signed and notarized which shall be on displayed on the wall of the business and or carried by the prostitute should the prostitute be self employed and shown the client upon.
5.Making zoning laws apply to prostitution just like they do any objectionable business.
Oh I disagree...they should ABSOLUTELY be required to carry liability insurance and I guarantee there are professional insurance carriers that would take this on. No different from a massage therapist, professional prostitutes should be licensed, insured, etc.As for #1 you still have the government pimping you out for their share of the profits called taxes, permits, and other government fees.
#2 is a good view and like they do in the grow rooms of marijuana in Colorado and install cameras in the sex office bedroom to ensure that they are staying within the law.
As far as #3 can I get a federal waiver from them people from ever tapping into my health care insurance costs. Which leads to #4 this should never be covered by insurance companies.
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