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Should President Truman be considered a war criminal for dropping the bomb?

Should President Truman be considered a war criminal for dropping the bomb?


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This week marks the 80th anniversary of Hiroshima. I think it was 10 or so years ago when John Stewart famously said Harry Truman was a war criminal as a result. If I recall correctly, he backed off that assessment day or two later. What say you?
 
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This week marks the 80th anniversary of Hiroshima. I think it was 10 or so years ago when John Stewart famously said Harry Truman was a war criminal as a result. If I recall correctly, he walked it back a day or two later. What say you?

He can’t be a war criminal. He wasn’t on the losing side.
 
Sigh.

Stewart pretty much immediately realized that statement was a mistake. It's funny how so many on the right these days utterly refuse to admit errors, or take responsibility for making mistakes. But I digress.

The other night we had on Cliff May. He was on, we were discussing torture, back and forth, very spirited discussion, very enjoyable. And I may have mentioned during the discussion we were having that Harry Truman was a war criminal. And right after saying it, I thought to myself that was dumb. And it was dumb. Stupid in fact. So I shouldn't have said that, and I did. So I say right now, no, I don't believe that to be the case. The atomic bomb, a very complicated decision in the context of a horrific war, and I walk that back because it was in my estimation a stupid thing to say. Which, by the way, as it was coming out of your mouth, you ever do that, where you're saying something, and as it's coming out you're like,"What the f**k, nyah?" And it just sat in there for a couple of days, just sitting going,"No, no, he wasn't, and you should really say that out loud on the show." So I am, right now, and, man, ew. Sorry. And, Warren G. Harding was a [bleeped, unintelligible].
 
This week marks the 80th anniversary of Hiroshima. I think it was 10 or so years ago when John Stewart famously said Harry Truman was a war criminal as a result. If I recall correctly, he walked it back a day or two later. What say you?
Nuking them wasn't the worst thing we did to Japan. We firebombed their cities with the express intent of killing as many civilians as possible. Curtis LeMay should have been tried as a war criminal by any standard.
 
I think certain presidents can be considered war criminals. We just tend to excuse them because they are our presidents. I think Andrew Jackson was among many criminal presidents. I dont think a lot of people have any ability to discern what is necessary which leads to the kind of shit we have now.

We tend to excuse everything under “the president did it, its war, its justified”
 
The concept of a 'war criminal' endangering civilians simply did not exist in the same sense as it does today because the Fourth Geneva Convention Protocol was adopted in 1949 was the first to address humanitarian civilians as opposed to soldiers, and the most relevant section Additional Protocol 1, pertaining to the effects of bombing/ hostilities on civilians was written and adopted in 1977. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_I_to_the_Geneva_Conventions

You can't hold Truman to sections of international law, not yet written and adopted until after he had died.
 
The Japanese were going to fight to the death. We were desperate, they were desperate.
At that point, we were far from desperate, we could have overrun Japan and yes a lot of Americans would have died but Japan didn't stand a chance in a longer war. They weren't at our doorstep, we were at theirs.
 
This week marks the 80th anniversary of Hiroshima. I think it was 10 or so years ago when John Stewart famously said Harry Truman was a war criminal as a result. If I recall correctly, he backed off that assessment day or two later. What say you?
Was Sherman anti war criminal?

What is the goal of war? What is it's purpose? Why do we do it? Why were we at war with Japan?

If they had had nukes to retaliate with, would nuking them still be a war crime? Was the taking of non military life a war crime?
 
Nuking them wasn't the worst thing we did to Japan. We firebombed their cities with the express intent of killing as many civilians as possible. Curtis LeMay should have been tried as a war criminal by any standard.
Most of Japanese and German Nazi war criminals were executed. The Japanese executed a whole Chinese cities population and German fire bombed London. Those war criminal got what they deserved.
 
Highlighted above^^ All major wars in the 20th century a democrat was president resulting in over 630K US combat death and a couple million on the other side during those wars. Do you consider any of them as war criminals or a piece of shit?
 
This week marks the 80th anniversary of Hiroshima. I think it was 10 or so years ago when John Stewart famously said Harry Truman was a war criminal as a result. If I recall correctly, he backed off that assessment day or two later. What say you?
Good thing GOPs Eisenhower and Nixon BEGAN the nuclearizarion of NATO in 1953, along with installing Jupiter’s FIRST in 1957 dangerous Turkey, precipitating the Cuban missile crisis.

Republicans, and reciprocal responses from China, Russia, etc, have wasted hundreds of trillions since these IKE/Nixon death machine’s decision 72 years ago.

Good thing IKE and especially Nixon ****ed up Iran both in the ‘50’s and early ‘70’s.
Good thing IKE/Nixon took over the Southeast Asian wars from the French.

Good thing Republicowards sat out WWII, siding with Hitler, whose Mussolini fascism came to power during the GOP’s disastrous, corrupt, and depression-causing 1920’s.
 
At that point, we were far from desperate, we could have overrun Japan and yes a lot of Americans would have died but Japan didn't stand a chance in a longer war. They weren't at our doorstep, we were at theirs.
America's not good at fighting a long-drawn war on attrition trying to stamp out the last 10-15% who's willing to die for the cause. Best to just end this with a grand finale where everyone know who won and who lost.
 
This week marks the 80th anniversary of Hiroshima. I think it was 10 or so years ago when John Stewart famously said Harry Truman was a war criminal as a result. If I recall correctly, he backed off that assessment day or two later. What say you?
Absolutely NOT a war criminal.
Two A-bombs were dropped and the Japanese capitulated without further conflict.
It was a means to an end.
And let's not have meaningless bullshit discussions where those against the bomb argue, year after year, the Japanese were going to give up anyway.
Let's all be thankful the Japanese Emperor was not found in the palace by the war-hungry military leaders and killed before he could create his announcement to surrender and have it broadcast throughout Japan.
 
Yes, but it's not like anyone exists in order to hold him accountable.

I would add that in the 20th and 21st centuries, there are few American Presidents who in a just world would and should be sitting in the Hague.
 
Good thing IKE, Nixon, the 1920’s GOP, and the McKinley pirates screwed up the western hemisphere.
Banana Republicans installed reich-wing dictators who sold drugs to the
The GOP’s dictators stole the land from the peasants and murdered them.

The GOP created the northern migration to work the fields for their GOP farmers, ranchers, and donors.
It’s the radical republicans and United Fruit Company back to 1871.
 
At that point, we were far from desperate, we could have overrun Japan and yes a lot of Americans would have died but Japan didn't stand a chance in a longer war. They weren't at our doorstep, we were at theirs.
How about this: would it have been better for several hundred thousand Americans KIA and untold millions of Japanese killed defending their homeland in an invasion than dropping the bombs which in the long run saved lives? It sounds idiotic but that was the alternative. Even cutting off all fuel sources and food would have produced catastrophic loss of life more than the bombs did.
 
Stick with the subject please. Or is it beyond your ability?
 
Your "good things" are sarcastic and not very helpful in understanding post-WW II
history.
 
Maybe a little Eisenhower on top, razing German cities being a bit too much for freedom’s stomach.

Imagine anyone speaking of a ‘loving gawd’ with what that ‘entity’ has created in man destroying man.
 
Stick with the subject please. Or is it beyond your ability?
Hit the contact button since you're not a moderator, @gman
Blaming Truman as a Dem, and splitting D’s, is to be expected from a reich-wing OP.
Look at the sordid history of your radical republican ilk since they helped assassinate Lincoln.
 
Your "good things" are sarcastic and not very helpful in understanding post-WW II
history.
Everyone knows what radical republicans have done to the world since allowing the assassination of Lincoln.
 
Hit the contact button since you're not a moderator, @gman
Blaming Truman as a Dem, and splitting D’s, is to be expected from a reich-wing OP.
Look at the sordid history of your radical republican ilk since they helped assassinate Lincoln.
My response is that Truman was not a war criminal. How does that make me “radical republican ilk”? Your political diatribes don’t answer anything other than assuage your own biased political hatred.
 
A bomb, not THE bomb.

THE bomb is thermonuclear and leaves a big mushroom cloud.
 
A bomb, not THE bomb.

THE bomb is thermonuclear and leaves a big mushroom cloud.
Picky, picky, picky. Never heard it mentioned that way before.
 
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