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if they feel the need to pull their weapon, then they feel they are in mortal danger and should shoot to kill.
Wow, second time. Will a third time get me tazed? You seem to have an attitude problem, certainly a bias. If you are saying that cops are never wrong, then you are wrong. I have seen videos of cops using tear gas directly into the eyes of protestors, not violent criminals, but protestors. That action indicates an asswipe is in charge of the cops at that scene, that being whoever ordered it done. I have seen videos of cops pulling other cops off a perp, a handcuffed, on the ground perp, one that just wrecked his car after leading the cops on a chase. Yes, he endangered others, but the danger is over, the perp is on the ground, restrained, and the cop starts kicking him.A weapon is not a pre-requisite for use of a tazer.
This is the 2nd time Ive had to mention this to you.
One also does not have to be in the process of beating another person down before the tazer can be used. I don't have enough detail to comment on the rest of the story. But I can only assume there is alot more to the story than you would let on if the tazer was used.
Concerning the death, yes, family members reported their side of the story, which matched the cops story. He had no way of knowing the man would die, it was a freakish situation. THAT cop wasn't an asswipe, but he surely could have handled THAT situation better.
Again in southern Utah, middle of nowhere, I stopped a few years back to warn an officer about a dangerous situation about a mile back, a stalled car left ON THE ROAD. He was in his car writing a ticket for a speeder, and when he saw me approaching on foot he got very beligerent and ordered me to stand back until he was done with the speeder. That was before I even started talking. I tried to say something, but all he could do was yell at me, he was in no mood for listening. He was clearly already agitated so I said forget it and started walking back to my car. He then reconsidered and asked if I had an emergency to report. Well duh.....
WOW, just WOW. Are YOU seriously going to put your words in my mouth? Edit my posts, maybe? Where did I imply a LOT OF COPS are thugs? Or ANY cop is a thug, a thug being a criminal.Tell me. How would you have handled subduing a naked man who isn't responsive to requests to surrender himself ot officers? What do you think the officers SHOULD have done? A tazer is generally a safe, non-permanent method of obtaining compliance that beats the hell out of using a baton to subdue a resistant suspect.
Do I have bias? I'm not a cop. I've just watched them do their jobs, and I've seen how fast these scenarios spin out of control. A guy who is having a psychotic episode may not be susceptible to pain, use of pressure points, and can even be freakishly strong. You're commenting about this because you have an axe to grind against particular cops, and because you've become convinced that a lot of cops are badge-heavy thugs.
Are there bad cops? Sure. But there are a lot less of them than most people believe, and their jobs are a lot harder than you seem to think they are. There are only so many ways to subdue a person who doesn't want to be arrested, Bill. Getting into a wrestling match is likely to cause the officer serious harm, not to mention the suspect.
Wasn't I-15, it was just east of Hurricane, Utah. He was traveling with family.I think I understand now. Cops who work in S. Utah work large patrol beats ALONE. They stop cars frequently that are trafficking drugs between Arizona and/or Southern California up to Utah or farther north up I-15. They deal with a high percentage of people in those cars who are armed because there are more guns than people in the state of Utah.
That officer is trained to focus his/her attention on the car that he/she has stopped for safety reasons. I've seen cops shot and killed or severely wounded during traffic stops like the one you described. A friend of mine was involved in a traffic stop of an 18th street gang member who ended up shooting him 11 times with an AK-47. He was permanently disabled, but amazingly, survived.
If an officer tells you not to approach his/her car until he/she has finished dealing with the business they are engaged in, FOLLOW THEIR INSTRUCTIONS. There is a good reason for them. That officer is trained to control the scene of a traffic stop (or any other scene), and that includes not allowing distractions during the process. Not only does the officer have to worry about safety risks from the car that he's stopped, but several officers in Utah have also been killed because idiots on I-15 HIT THEIR STOPPED VEHICLES ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, including a guy I worked with for several years.
That's a lot to pay attention to without you blundering into the middle of it like some happy-go-lucky well-intentioned idiot.
I would recommend watching this video before you get behind the wheel again.
YouTube - L.A.P.D Training Video Feat. Chris Rock
Tucker, you MUST have had a weapon on you, what was it, roller or brush?
he could have called for an ambulance and backup to help subdue a deranged person.
Wasn't I-15, it was just east of Hurricane, Utah. He was traveling with family.
I see that now I am an idiot, as well as having an axe to grind against cops. I made it clear earlier that I know more than a few cops, as friends and neighbors, and one that I had previously served in the Navy with.
He was fired, btw, since his overly agressive attitude didn't work well in a small town.
I had to give thanks for the video.
The ambulance drivers would have relied on the cop to subdue the deranged and non-compliant man. They don't have guns that shoot tranquilizers like on wild kingdom (but a girl can dream, right?). Even if he'd called for backup, a physical struggle is much more likely to cause physical harm to the officers and the AP than a tazer.
You got to admit that would be awesome if they did.
The ambulance drivers would have relied on the cop to subdue the deranged and non-compliant man. They don't have guns that shoot tranquilizers like on wild kingdom (but a girl can dream, right?). Even if he'd called for backup, a physical struggle is much more likely to cause physical harm to the officers and the AP than a tazer.
Was he engaged in a traffic stop or not? You stated that he had a car pulled over and was writing a speeding ticket.
Knowing police officers personally is different from understanding how cops are trained to handle a scene.
If you blunder into the middle of a car stop and expect the officer to stop what he is doing and devote his full attention to you, when this flies in the face of all of his training and the policies of his agency, don't expect him to blow you kisses and ask for a group hug. That's ridiculously stupid behavior.
Edited to add: On the tazer issue, if he had had a tazer instead of a gun and had actually shot me with it, it would have been ****ing hilarious. Painful, but hilarious.
Wow, second time. Will a third time get me tazed? You seem to have an attitude problem, certainly a bias. If you are saying that cops are never wrong, then you are wrong. I have seen videos of cops using tear gas directly into the eyes of protestors, not violent criminals, but protestors. That action indicates an asswipe is in charge of the cops at that scene, that being whoever ordered it done. I have seen videos of cops pulling other cops off a perp, a handcuffed, on the ground perp, one that just wrecked his car after leading the cops on a chase. Yes, he endangered others, but the danger is over, the perp is on the ground, restrained, and the cop starts kicking him.
Cops who can't control their anger should find another line of work.
I don't believe being human is a reason to get fired.
Tucker, you MUST have had a weapon on you, what was it, roller or brush?
Again in southern Utah, middle of nowhere, I stopped a few years back to warn an officer about a dangerous situation about a mile back, a stalled car left ON THE ROAD. He was in his car writing a ticket for a speeder, and when he saw me approaching on foot he got very beligerent and ordered me to stand back until he was done with the speeder. That was before I even started talking. I tried to say something, but all he could do was yell at me, he was in no mood for listening. He was clearly already agitated so I said forget it and started walking back to my car. He then reconsidered and asked if I had an emergency to report. Well duh.....
I told him about the stalled car left on the road and a lady walking back to town. It would be a long walk for her. I was just at the point of turning around when I saw the cop car so I figured he would want to know.
I suppose if I had continued approaching him, I would have met Mr. Tazer. Give a guy a toy and he WILL play with it. And give SOME guys a bit of authority and it will go to his head. Again, SOME cops should find other ways to make a living.
Im not saying that cops are never wrong. I am saying I don't listen to media stories and family who weren't there stories about what happened and then crucify the police involved in a situation.
Working in policing I have seen the inside of what the REAL story is, and then what gets published to the public.
As far as the guy beating the handcuffed subject after a vehicle chase, foot chase, physical confrontation. The guy is wrong. I can understand though, that he is a human being, and I have heard many people make statements of wanting to beat people right here on this Debate Politics for much less than that. Apparently the public (you) think police are robots or something. Althought we do exercise great restraint, sometimes there are people who let their emotions get the best of them, I don't believe being human is a reason to get fired.
I do if the position being fired from is an office which wields the power and soveriegnty of the People and the "being human" part is abuse of said power and improper actions against the rights and liberties of the People while wielding their power and authority.
One highly emotional driven incident isn't worth getting fired over.
WOW, just WOW. Are YOU seriously going to put your words in my mouth? Edit my posts, maybe? Where did I imply a LOT OF COPS are thugs? Or ANY cop is a thug, a thug being a criminal.
How would I have handled it? He wasn't that far from his town, he could have called for an ambulance and backup to help subdue a deranged person.
depends on the outcome....an officer injuring perp is one thing, a seriously maimed or killed perp, that is another....Yeah, if it becomes a regular problem from the same officer or group of officers then sure.
One highly emotional driven incident isn't worth getting fired over.
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